How Would Transgender Reassignment Surgery Work in Harry Potter

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Re: How Would Transgender Reassignment Surgery Work in Harry Potter

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Winter wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2024 2:56 am
Nealithi wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2024 1:52 am To give this some serious thought?
I think it would not be 'permanent'. Not from an easy to cast source. Magic wears off, that is the nature. To have long term magic you need to keep maintaining it. Think of how when the Doctor was impersonating Mad-Eye Mooney he had to keep taking polyjuice. Or that Harry's cloak is a unique magic item because the invisibility does not simply wear off.
The only permanence seems to be in constructs. Not just say an animated statue, but Hogwarts itself. So either it must be inanimate or must be continuously maintained.

Now with how the wizarding world sits a few decades behind the modern world for adapting in science? Someone could perform some longer term medical procedure but adding in magic to smooth over the effects. Now what complications this might create I am not certain.

My understanding is with gender reassignment you make a gross physical change, but nothing genetic. Polyjuice requires a bit of hair of the subject. I forget if the book mentioned dandruff. But I suppose the way someone could be 'outed' would be trying to change into 'Harriet' and getting 'Harry' instead. Which could be part of an interesting story in its own right.
We do see magic that lasts long term. Wands, for example, retain their power until broken or until the wielder dies. Or take the Curse Voldemort put on the Defense Against the Dark Arts Position, that lasted until he died. Not to mention Voldie's own for changed due to magic, going from a regular looking person to the sort of snake person he became later in life which did NOT stop after his death.

Side note, with Rowling being a TERF I wonder if that was meant to represent how she saw transgenders.

Or magic that goes on after someone dies which we've seen many times in this series like with the Room of Requirement which is still going strong even after whoever created said room passed on. My point is there are many instances of magic that is doesn't just fade away. But I do like the idea of using modern science to transition and using magic to make it easier. Though that does make me wonder, are their potions that work the same as hormone therapy.

Like something that will alter ones hormones like actual hormone therapy? Hm.
While I love my sexo chango joke, I do respect you enough to be serious. For me, with magic, it's probably a lot of potions to changes ones body and potions to make it more permantly. It's probably a long process, maybe unhealthy if done wrong, but perfectly doable. The only problem is that this could be a spell used for anything. Like maybe I prefer I'm 6'8 and make Chris Hemsworth look like Tom Holland in how jacked I am. Women will be horrified by how jacked I am, but like... I wanna throw my kids hard in the air and make them say whee a lot.

Yeah, it's really a LOT of potion work, and even double more potion work to make sure this doesn't break apart or harm ya. The biggest problem I see here, is the fact that I'm worried if this would be dangerous to one physically. I mean, this process is probably literally losing organs and gaining organs and being more transition of gender than our current technology, so who knows if a person can survive losing a uterus to gain testicles... in the fact this is literally growing and forming in them. I'm not a medical expert, I won't pretend I am, but even I'm certain that has to be dangerous.

One positive, trans men and women can now change height and weight... which I mentioned before... horrible organ failure and cancerous growth... but now a trans woman can go from 6'1 to 5'2 if she wishes...
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Re: How Would Transgender Reassignment Surgery Work in Harry Potter

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Nobody700 wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2024 3:16 am
Winter wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2024 2:56 am
Nealithi wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2024 1:52 am To give this some serious thought?
I think it would not be 'permanent'. Not from an easy to cast source. Magic wears off, that is the nature. To have long term magic you need to keep maintaining it. Think of how when the Doctor was impersonating Mad-Eye Mooney he had to keep taking polyjuice. Or that Harry's cloak is a unique magic item because the invisibility does not simply wear off.
The only permanence seems to be in constructs. Not just say an animated statue, but Hogwarts itself. So either it must be inanimate or must be continuously maintained.

Now with how the wizarding world sits a few decades behind the modern world for adapting in science? Someone could perform some longer term medical procedure but adding in magic to smooth over the effects. Now what complications this might create I am not certain.

My understanding is with gender reassignment you make a gross physical change, but nothing genetic. Polyjuice requires a bit of hair of the subject. I forget if the book mentioned dandruff. But I suppose the way someone could be 'outed' would be trying to change into 'Harriet' and getting 'Harry' instead. Which could be part of an interesting story in its own right.
We do see magic that lasts long term. Wands, for example, retain their power until broken or until the wielder dies. Or take the Curse Voldemort put on the Defense Against the Dark Arts Position, that lasted until he died. Not to mention Voldie's own for changed due to magic, going from a regular looking person to the sort of snake person he became later in life which did NOT stop after his death.

Side note, with Rowling being a TERF I wonder if that was meant to represent how she saw transgenders.

Or magic that goes on after someone dies which we've seen many times in this series like with the Room of Requirement which is still going strong even after whoever created said room passed on. My point is there are many instances of magic that is doesn't just fade away. But I do like the idea of using modern science to transition and using magic to make it easier. Though that does make me wonder, are their potions that work the same as hormone therapy.

Like something that will alter ones hormones like actual hormone therapy? Hm.
While I love my sexo chango joke, I do respect you enough to be serious. For me, with magic, it's probably a lot of potions to changes ones body and potions to make it more permantly. It's probably a long process, maybe unhealthy if done wrong, but perfectly doable. The only problem is that this could be a spell used for anything. Like maybe I prefer I'm 6'8 and make Chris Hemsworth look like Tom Holland in how jacked I am. Women will be horrified by how jacked I am, but like... I wanna throw my kids hard in the air and make them say whee a lot.

Yeah, it's really a LOT of potion work, and even double more potion work to make sure this doesn't break apart or harm ya. The biggest problem I see here, is the fact that I'm worried if this would be dangerous to one physically. I mean, this process is probably literally losing organs and gaining organs and being more transition of gender than our current technology, so who knows if a person can survive losing a uterus to gain testicles... in the fact this is literally growing and forming in them. I'm not a medical expert, I won't pretend I am, but even I'm certain that has to be dangerous.

One positive, trans men and women can now change height and weight... which I mentioned before... horrible organ failure and cancerous growth... but now a trans woman can go from 6'1 to 5'2 if she wishes...
This brings up a point. Have we seen anything where you can change a person's body. Keep it simple, going from fat to muscle. Dad bod to Dwayne Johnson sized muscles. Nevermind changing height or sex organs.
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Re: How Would Transgender Reassignment Surgery Work in Harry Potter

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McAvoy wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2024 3:24 am
Nobody700 wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2024 3:16 am
Winter wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2024 2:56 am
Nealithi wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2024 1:52 am To give this some serious thought?
I think it would not be 'permanent'. Not from an easy to cast source. Magic wears off, that is the nature. To have long term magic you need to keep maintaining it. Think of how when the Doctor was impersonating Mad-Eye Mooney he had to keep taking polyjuice. Or that Harry's cloak is a unique magic item because the invisibility does not simply wear off.
The only permanence seems to be in constructs. Not just say an animated statue, but Hogwarts itself. So either it must be inanimate or must be continuously maintained.

Now with how the wizarding world sits a few decades behind the modern world for adapting in science? Someone could perform some longer term medical procedure but adding in magic to smooth over the effects. Now what complications this might create I am not certain.

My understanding is with gender reassignment you make a gross physical change, but nothing genetic. Polyjuice requires a bit of hair of the subject. I forget if the book mentioned dandruff. But I suppose the way someone could be 'outed' would be trying to change into 'Harriet' and getting 'Harry' instead. Which could be part of an interesting story in its own right.
We do see magic that lasts long term. Wands, for example, retain their power until broken or until the wielder dies. Or take the Curse Voldemort put on the Defense Against the Dark Arts Position, that lasted until he died. Not to mention Voldie's own for changed due to magic, going from a regular looking person to the sort of snake person he became later in life which did NOT stop after his death.

Side note, with Rowling being a TERF I wonder if that was meant to represent how she saw transgenders.

Or magic that goes on after someone dies which we've seen many times in this series like with the Room of Requirement which is still going strong even after whoever created said room passed on. My point is there are many instances of magic that is doesn't just fade away. But I do like the idea of using modern science to transition and using magic to make it easier. Though that does make me wonder, are their potions that work the same as hormone therapy.

Like something that will alter ones hormones like actual hormone therapy? Hm.
While I love my sexo chango joke, I do respect you enough to be serious. For me, with magic, it's probably a lot of potions to changes ones body and potions to make it more permantly. It's probably a long process, maybe unhealthy if done wrong, but perfectly doable. The only problem is that this could be a spell used for anything. Like maybe I prefer I'm 6'8 and make Chris Hemsworth look like Tom Holland in how jacked I am. Women will be horrified by how jacked I am, but like... I wanna throw my kids hard in the air and make them say whee a lot.

Yeah, it's really a LOT of potion work, and even double more potion work to make sure this doesn't break apart or harm ya. The biggest problem I see here, is the fact that I'm worried if this would be dangerous to one physically. I mean, this process is probably literally losing organs and gaining organs and being more transition of gender than our current technology, so who knows if a person can survive losing a uterus to gain testicles... in the fact this is literally growing and forming in them. I'm not a medical expert, I won't pretend I am, but even I'm certain that has to be dangerous.

One positive, trans men and women can now change height and weight... which I mentioned before... horrible organ failure and cancerous growth... but now a trans woman can go from 6'1 to 5'2 if she wishes...
This brings up a point. Have we seen anything where you can change a person's body. Keep it simple, going from fat to muscle. Dad bod to Dwayne Johnson sized muscles. Nevermind changing height or sex organs.
The plot of the fourth book was about the main villain doing that. Even faked losing an eye.
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Re: How Would Transgender Reassignment Surgery Work in Harry Potter

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Winter wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2024 2:56 am
Nealithi wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2024 1:52 am To give this some serious thought?
I think it would not be 'permanent'. Not from an easy to cast source. Magic wears off, that is the nature. To have long term magic you need to keep maintaining it. Think of how when the Doctor was impersonating Mad-Eye Mooney he had to keep taking polyjuice. Or that Harry's cloak is a unique magic item because the invisibility does not simply wear off.
The only permanence seems to be in constructs. Not just say an animated statue, but Hogwarts itself. So either it must be inanimate or must be continuously maintained.

Now with how the wizarding world sits a few decades behind the modern world for adapting in science? Someone could perform some longer term medical procedure but adding in magic to smooth over the effects. Now what complications this might create I am not certain.

My understanding is with gender reassignment you make a gross physical change, but nothing genetic. Polyjuice requires a bit of hair of the subject. I forget if the book mentioned dandruff. But I suppose the way someone could be 'outed' would be trying to change into 'Harriet' and getting 'Harry' instead. Which could be part of an interesting story in its own right.
We do see magic that lasts long term. Wands, for example, retain their power until broken or until the wielder dies. Or take the Curse Voldemort put on the Defense Against the Dark Arts Position, that lasted until he died. Not to mention Voldie's own for changed due to magic, going from a regular looking person to the sort of snake person he became later in life which did NOT stop after his death.

Side note, with Rowling being a TERF I wonder if that was meant to represent how she saw transgenders.

Or magic that goes on after someone dies which we've seen many times in this series like with the Room of Requirement which is still going strong even after whoever created said room passed on. My point is there are many instances of magic that is doesn't just fade away. But I do like the idea of using modern science to transition and using magic to make it easier. Though that does make me wonder, are their potions that work the same as hormone therapy.

Like something that will alter ones hormones like actual hormone therapy? Hm.
While wands are still inanimate, the books were rather inconsistent with them. In the first book you had to partner with a wand. Later anyone could use anyone's wand. So probably not the best for comparisons.

Now bringing up Voldemort, that is an interesting point. He was unkillable, but his body was destroyed. Spent time on the back of a minion's head. Committed a cardinal sin of drinking unicorn blood. Then a minion had to use a cauldron and a ritual involving sacrificing their own hand to give him a body again. Which of these things messed up his looks? Or was it a combination of them?
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Re: How Would Transgender Reassignment Surgery Work in Harry Potter

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It would probably be something complex and silly but not actually that difficult. Like the ritual to become an Animagus where the hard part is keeping a leaf in your mouth for a month.

Although given magic can apparently tell who's a boy and who's a girl ("no boys allowed" shield on the girls' dorm) it's also possible one of those "take you back to normal" potions in the hospital wing might be enough. Or even do it by accident to someone who hasn't figured out they were trans themselves yet.
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