Star Trek changing direction

[Link8909]

So....the rumor is

Any reliable source for these rumors? Or just the same old pessimist speculation-as-rumor?

Do you mean past the usual FM style nonsense? Nerdrotic, Overlord DVD, G&G, and others? Probably not.

Being right on a few things has hardly given them credibility except a few small individuals among their following. And even then, it's 50-50.

Indeed, the phrase "A broken clock is right twice a day" only highlights the fact that it's wrong 86398 times a day, and that one should invest in a new clock.

[Link8909]

What I want. Less swearing in future installments, and by that, I mean the F-bombs. It's just doing it to be effing edgy, and I don't appreciate it.

Thing is, I wouldn't be entirely opposed to it back in the day, with severe crises like the Dominion war or what Voyager was getting up, theoretically, alone in a hostile territory without reinforcements. Frankly, however, that time has passed, since with even the worst times in galactic history, they never resorted to F-bombs, and don't bring up network censorship, if you please!

This is on par with very bad fanfic I've read, so you should not defend this. Extreme swearing needs justification. I've seen little so far.

I do agree the swearing needs to be toned down. And no I am not some sort of pearl clutcher that faints when someone says bitch. I swear like a sailor and I actively try not to. So cursing doesn't bother me.

The only reason I don't do so here is as a courtesy, but at the same time, I do prefer "Snickers" action movies that Mr. Chuck ran down as much as the next fella. However, if it serves no purpose, what is the point? Okay, minor nitpick, but come on, guys! Fandoms are built on that.

While I not as bothered by the swearing, I do agree that it either needs to be toned down, or only used when it's necessary in future instalments, there are times in Star Trek Picard were the swearing was justified like with Dr. Agnes Jurati in "Nepenthe" because she was going through a nervous breakdown thanks to the vision and murdering, or when it feels natural like with the workers at Utopia Planitia in "Maps and Legends", but then you have Admiral Clancy (who I think should have been Admiral Nechayev) swearing and it feels forced and undercuts a lot of the interesting things she points out regarding the Federations decision 14 years ago, honestly it would have worked better if she had said bloody instead of firing an F-Torpedo.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I like how Tilly says fuck more incidentally more than customary though.

Star Trek Picard they mostly just used it as fan service to shoot down the premise of TMP.

[McAvoy]

I like how Tilly says fuck more incidentally more than customary though.

Star Trek Picard they mostly just used it as fan service to shoot down the premise of TMP.

I like Tilly. It might be due to my preference of redheads though.

[Captain Crimson]

I like how Tilly says fuck more incidentally more than customary though.

Star Trek Picard they mostly just used it as fan service to shoot down the premise of TMP.

I like Tilly. It might be due to my preference of redheads though.

As I've said, I like Tilly as well - but also unironically want less F-bombs. And yeah, redheads rock. Mara Jade, Mira, Ginny Weasley, Misty/Kasumi, Starfire, Poison Ivy, Jean Grey, Dr. Crusher, the list keeps going...

[clearspira]

So....the rumor is

Any reliable source for these rumors? Or just the same old pessimist speculation-as-rumor?

Do you mean past the usual FM style nonsense? Nerdrotic, Overlord DVD, G&G, and others? Probably not.

Being right on a few things has hardly given them credibility except a few small individuals among their following. And even then, it's 50-50.

With respect, I can tell you haven't watched all that much of the people you mentioned. You've been TOLD certainly, probably by people in your own circles with agendas, just as I have been TOLD about the people you watch probably by people with agendas. Maybe you have even seen a few videos in passing. But the actual reason why they are hated is that they have an accuracy rating far beyond what you give them credit for. Doomcock in particular has a tendency to break news weeks in advance of anyone else.

[clearspira]

I like how Tilly says fuck more incidentally more than customary though.

Star Trek Picard they mostly just used it as fan service to shoot down the premise of TMP.

I like Tilly. It might be due to my preference of redheads though.

No offence, but that does back up my theory that if Tilly was male then she would be just as hated as Wesley. Being female lets you get away with obnoxious behaviour as cute or attractive - which lets be honest is a form if passive sexism that hurts everyone.

[CaptainCalvinCat]

Telling me to accept the Prime 1701 redesign is telling me to not think critically and I refuse to that.

Well, that leaves you with two options: bitch and moan or just leave the franchise.

Nope. Third option: wait for a management change.

Which might lead to another 10 to 20 years of no meaningful trek, since we don't know, when there will be a management change? Sorry, I'm not taking that risk.

I like how Tilly says fuck more incidentally more than customary though.

Star Trek Picard they mostly just used it as fan service to shoot down the premise of TMP.

I like Tilly. It might be due to my preference of redheads though.

No offence, but that does back up my theory that if Tilly was male then she would be just as hated as Wesley. Being female lets you get away with obnoxious behaviour as cute or attractive - which lets be honest is a form if passive sexism that hurts everyone.

Funny, you come up with Wesley. I never got the hatred for the guy - he was just a normal kid (albeit highly intelligent, apparently), trying to live his live. And by the way, I never understood the "Oh, the Ship is saved by that kid again"-part, either.

When I watched television, and a kid was on the show, even if the episode dealt with the problems of said kid, it never interacted with the series regulars in a meaningful way. It was there, said two, three sentences and then it was off, never be seen again.

And then, there were Wesley and later on Naomi, kids, who interacted with the main cast, who did stuff, that was meaningful. Naomi even got her own subplot of being afraid of Seven and then ending up as one of her best friends. I have to say - I loved that.
I loved, that Janeway basically allowed her to be her personal assistant, I loved, that Picard allowed Wesley to pilot the ship. It was more, than could be said for the rest of television landscape, where 'the kid' was there to look cute, be funny or sad, then eat some ice cream with a side character and - like I said - was off, never to be seen again, even if it was basially the kids episode.

The sad thing is, that even Wil Wheaton is now in on the "Yeah, Wesley was terrible"-train. Shows, what happens, if people always bitch and moan about "how bad" a character would be - sometimes even the actor believes that bullshit.

[Link8909]

Telling me to accept the Prime 1701 redesign is telling me to not think critically and I refuse to that.

Well, that leaves you with two options: bitch and moan or just leave the franchise.

Nope. Third option: wait for a management change.

Which might lead to another 10 to 20 years of no meaningful trek, since we don't know, when there will be a management change? Sorry, I'm not taking that risk.

Agreed, I'd rather that something is actually done with the franchise and to take the change of success or failure, than to do nothing with it and just keeping the toy's in its original packaging, only to be admired and never to be played with so to speak.

The person who never made a mistake never did anything to begin with, as Q once said:

The Jean-Luc Picard you wanted to be, the one who did NOT fight the Nausicaan, had quite a different career from the one you remember. That Picard never had a brush with death, never came face to face with his own mortality, never realized how fragile life is, or how important each moment must be. So his life never came into focus. He drifted through much of his career, with no plan or agenda… going from one assignment to the next, never seizing the opportunities that presented themselves. He never led the away-team on Milika III to save the ambassador, or take charge of the Stargazer's bridge when its captain was killed. And no one ever offered him a command. He learned to play it safe… and he never, ever got noticed by anyone.

I like how Tilly says fuck more incidentally more than customary though.

Star Trek Picard they mostly just used it as fan service to shoot down the premise of TMP.

I like Tilly. It might be due to my preference of redheads though.

No offence, but that does back up my theory that if Tilly was male then she would be just as hated as Wesley. Being female lets you get away with obnoxious behaviour as cute or attractive - which lets be honest is a form if passive sexism that hurts everyone.

Funny, you come up with Wesley. I never got the hatred for the guy - he was just a normal kid (albeit highly intelligent, apparently), trying to live his live. And by the way, I never understood the "Oh, the Ship is saved by that kid again"-part, either.

When I watched television, and a kid was on the show, even if the episode dealt with the problems of said kid, it never interacted with the series regulars in a meaningful way. It was there, said two, three sentences and then it was off, never be seen again.

And then, there were Wesley and later on Naomi, kids, who interacted with the main cast, who did stuff, that was meaningful. Naomi even got her own subplot of being afraid of Seven and then ending up as one of her best friends. I have to say - I loved that.
I loved, that Janeway basically allowed her to be her personal assistant, I loved, that Picard allowed Wesley to pilot the ship. It was more, than could be said for the rest of television landscape, where 'the kid' was there to look cute, be funny or sad, then eat some ice cream with a side character and - like I said - was off, never to be seen again, even if it was basially the kids episode.

The sad thing is, that even Wil Wheaton is now in on the "Yeah, Wesley was terrible"-train. Shows, what happens, if people always bitch and moan about "how bad" a character would be - sometimes even the actor believes that bullshit.

Admittedly I was one of the people that was on the hate train of Wesley, but over time I've learned that hating fictional characters is not healthy so I try to have a calmer response.

Honestly while season 1 of The Next Generation was rough overall, Wesley himself had some really good episodes that developed his character like "Coming of Age", "Family ", "Final Mission", and "The First Duty", and past season one was good at being a supporting character, Chuck even pointing out his helpfulness in his "The Enemy" review, and I love his talk with Captain Picard about the destruction of the USS Yamato in "Contagion".

Also I absolutely agree on Naomi, she's wonderful and adorable and I loved whenever she was on screen.

[Captain Crimson]

So....the rumor is

Any reliable source for these rumors? Or just the same old pessimist speculation-as-rumor?

Do you mean past the usual FM style nonsense? Nerdrotic, Overlord DVD, G&G, and others? Probably not.

Being right on a few things has hardly given them credibility except a few small individuals among their following. And even then, it's 50-50.

With respect, I can tell you haven't watched all that much of the people you mentioned. You've been TOLD certainly, probably by people in your own circles with agendas, just as I have been TOLD about the people you watch probably by people with agendas. Maybe you have even seen a few videos in passing. But the actual reason why they are hated is that they have an accuracy rating far beyond what you give them credit for. Doomcock in particular has a tendency to break news weeks in advance of anyone else.

Didn't he steal credit for the JediPaxis leaks? And maybe I just don't want to believe him since it would mean they're going to decanonize the sequels and rebrand them Legends, which is just complete marketing suicide, for two swaths of fandom. Granted, SWL has had so many retcons, you could easily fix this with a patch job. Show an aged Grand Master Luke waking up, heading down to breakfast with his son Ben (Skywalker), and admitting he had a weird dream. That said, would sequel fans accept that? People like the ST because they've never seen anything like it before, while EU fans know better and stamp our feet in exasperation at the lies they told us in 2014. Also, I have zero faith in them to actually address the continuity retcons the ST would generate by arbitrarily just removing it from the DSW and plopping into SWL. How would you feel if they just took the three reboot films, and then dumped them into the TOS movies? Or TOS? Then you will see what I'm saying here.

The ST were NOT built with the EU in mind past what to steal. Mr. Chee had promised for years, he'd address the continuity retcons that had piled up nonstop with TCW because Mr. Filoni got permission from Mr. Lucas to do whatever he felt like, as soon as it was over. And before that came, Disney then took over. And they have not done so yet. We also know why. I feel like Kylo Ren's line about the past came directly from the story group, or Ms. Kennedy. That's why they're doing this. Bury SWL, bury the OT, bury the original cast. Let the past die. KILL IT IF YOU HAVE TO. We do know Mr. Johnson went to talk to the story group, so that could be. On decanonizing the ST, even Overlord himself said, "take it with a grain of salt." This seems custom built to stir up fandom, raise hope in ST haters and tighten the sphincters of SWL fans. He has "sources" he can't name and insists it's something you should be skeptical about. My, how convenient for him, huh?

I also saw his vid on STP, and TBH, I don't buy it. They deliberately wanted to shame and humiliate Picard. No, nope, no matter what "culture war" nonsense you spout at me. It's not too dissimilar from Itchy's bitter vid where he rails in such a low, raspy, hate tone on them ruining Luke from milking the space otter to make it "matriarchal" for "feminist" reasons. Lord knows I take issues with that scene, primarily for much the reasons you have, yet I do not buy that tripe. I consider myself a glass-ceiling feminist, and for that scene, to call it matriarchal is purely speculative. Sure, some employees that are clearly the SJW woke crowd who do not like patriarchy wanna go after him for that reason. But it is still hypothesizing since we don't know what to what extent they played in crafting the ST. Only a few people we can positively identify.