DIS: “Will You Take My Hand?”

[Yukaphile]

Hopefully they're more successful than the Nuremburg trials, considering many Nazis went free and those in charge didn't give a shit about the crimes their soldiers were committing en masse against millions of helpless people.

[Actarus]

Classy, insulting the dude in Klingon. I'd also call him a schutta too.

And I call you an "enfant de chienne".

[Yukaphile]

Dafuk is that?

[Actarus]

Yes, but that was not their first intention to release her on Qo'nos, as far as I remember. Besides, if she ever returns to the Federation, she is still Philippa Georgiou, once a respected Starfleet officer. As long as she respects the law, she doesn't have to worry about being arrested.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Federation has something like the Nuremberg laws (not the Nazi ones, the crimes against humanity ones) and universal jurisdiction for major crimes on its books.

If so she can be put down for a long time, provided that Discovery was actually recording anything during its excursion in the Mirror Universe.

Yes, it is a possibility. But then everyone would know there is a Mirror Universe. And Starfleet or UFP does not want that.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Classy, insulting the dude in Klingon. I'd also call him a schutta too.

And I call you an "enfant de chienne".

Child of Dog or Child of Chinese person.

[Zoinksberg]

Perhaps "Male Child of Female Dog" will make that one make more sense?

[RobbyB1982]

Tbh, I hope they don't learn. I want STD to be canceled so they can stop raping the franchise I love for money.

First of all, making money has ALWAYS been the point. Of any show. You might have a creative team on it for the art, but the buisness backend is always about the profit, that's why they fund the show. Sometimes when the art is good the money follows and everyone is happy... sometimes not.

The problem is, the lesson they take away is not "this show was bad so the audience didn't like it, lets make a better show", the lesson they lean is "Star Trek doesn't work anymore, lets not make any more Star Trek."

See also what happened with the reboot movies. The third movie flopped... even though it was half decent! based almost entirely on how bad the previous one had been. As a result? No more Star Trek movies for who knows how long.

I hated the first two reboot movies, and I hated Discovery... but I don't want it cancelled just to cancel it... I want it to fix its problems, and become a good show, and prove there's a place for Trek again. We haven't had any Trek shows in thirteen years, and hadn't had any GOOD Trek shows twenty.

Same with the movies, reboots aside, the last TNG movie was 18 years ago, and the last half decent one was 22 years ago.

But you take something like Enterprise. It definitely wasn't good, but it wasn't awful most of the time... had a lousy first three seasons... and then in its final season it switched creatives and got good! But by that point the damage had been done and it was too late to save.

The franchise failing just means we don't get more of the franchise.

If its bad and you don't personally like it, you don't need to watch it. But if it has any success, then they throw stuff against the wall and eventually something might actually stick and be good. But if they're making nothing, then we're getting nothing.

[Makeshift Python]

Robby gets it.

Just imagine if the haters in the 80s got their way and TNG was cancelled after one season. We wouldn’t look back at that show so fondly. It would be the black sheep of the whole franchise. Instead it got a chance to find its footing and by the third season it was firing on all cylinders, which eventually lead to DS9 and on.

[Karha of Honor]

Robby gets it.

Just imagine if the haters in the 80s got their way and TNG was cancelled after one season. We wouldn’t look back at that show so fondly. It would be the black sheep of the whole franchise. Instead it got a chance to find its footing and by the third season it was firing on all cylinders, which eventually lead to DS9 and on.

I don't care either way, but you can make the argument that Galaxy is coming.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Star Trek First Contact was half-decent?