Re: Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:27 pm
heh thoe nanoha is more like gundam than DBZSuccubusYuri wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:20 pm Also I'd be remiss to let this get to page 5 without posting the meme xD
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heh thoe nanoha is more like gundam than DBZSuccubusYuri wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:20 pm Also I'd be remiss to let this get to page 5 without posting the meme xD
Only the first two movies, and even then the multimedia established it as its own separate continuity in addition to there being an in-universe movie in the television continuity. Its weird, which is possibly why they dropped the conceit in the last two films. I mean, it was really just an excuse for having a commentary track where the Japanese VA's did commentary as older versions of their characters, and honestly, you don't need an excuse to do that. Most of the audience will probably just appreciate the joke for what it is without having a canonical explanation for how this is possible. They know its just a movie.Ikiry0 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:59 pm The first movie is a solid replacement for the first season (Which can take a while to get into gear). Interestingly, the movies are...a little bit propaganda-ish, in a fun way. They're in-universe movies, so elements of them have been changed by people to show/reduce some aspects.
Vivid is primarily dragged down by its strong ties to season 3 (which as I said sucked), ties to an audio drama that never got officially exported to the west (actually, neither did Vivid, but at least an official English subtitle track was made), and the fact that the anime promised a second season that never happened. Its been five years, and there is no sign they are working on it. But even if you do read the manga that its based on, it meanders and makes more explicit use of fanservice than ever before in a franchise whose fanservice is notoriously creepy-- and probably the single worst example of this did make it into the anime. I mean, season 1's transformation scenes can legitimately be chalked up to Japan's perceptions of nudity being slightly different from America, but even by season 2 you start getting the feeling that they are doing it to deliberately pander to young boys. Vivid is definitely pandering-- and its not clear that its to an appropriate age group anymore. There is literally a scene where an 18 year old girl gropes a 10 year old's chest as an ill-thought out "prank", and the only consequences for it are the 18 year old getting chewed out by the actual adults around-- one of whom is a cop! Did I mention the 18 year old is also a nun? That's so many kinds of screwed I like to pretend it never happened whenever I watch Vivid Strike!*. And fortunately, Vivid Strike makes that really, really easy.
Its implied to have happened offscreen, yes. Besides the argument to authorial intent (Tsuzuki, the guy who writes every Nanoha series and film, has answered questions about the nature of their relationship as if we should take for granted that they are effectively married), there is in-universe evidence for it regarding the treatment of Vivio. Basically, even though StrikerS said Fate was her godmother, Vivio says that she has two mothers and that this situation is unusual-- even though the characters in StrikerS acted like having a godmother is the most natural thing in the world. So basically, Vivio is saying that Fate is more than just a godmother, she's her mother, plain and simple. Fate also lives in the same household as Nanoha and Vivio, which says a lot all by itself, especially because Fate technically also has her own adopted children who don't live with her (Erio and Cairo). Meaning, she's closer to Vivio than her own canonical kids! And there are implications that Fate actually has joint custody over Vivio, a right reserved for married couples in every country I know of. Finally, in the InnocentS manga, there is a time travel incident involving Vivio meeting Nanoha and Fate as kids, and her friend has to shut her up regarding her parentage on the assumption she could accidentally cause a Grandfather paradox-- implying that in the Brave Duel universe, either Nanoha or Fate is her biological mother somehow. Given that Nanoha is a multiverse, its hard to say what kind of canon statement that makes, but it certainly says something.Aotrs Commander wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:16 pmAre you be facecious or has that genuinely happened in the later series?
(I am afraid I never did manage to track the later series down after StrikerS.)
Thank you for your very detailed respond.Formless One wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:18 pm Vivid Strike! on the other hand is actually really good. I know some people will tell you otherwise simply because Nanoha doesn't appear in it, but pay them no attention. It basically takes the concept from Vivid of magical girls competing in combat sports (kickboxing, mainly) and runs with it.
So, like most popular cable television from the last decade or so? Hard pass.MrL1992 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:19 pmIf Chuck wants a magical girl show with more distinct personalities, 'Magical Girl Raising Project' has that in spades. Only one problem though, pretty much all the likable are systematically and vindictively murdered throughout its 12 episodes, leaving you pissed off and depressed by the end.
I actually hate the movie versions, for one thing all the sob story back story for Fate's Mom annoyed me.SuccubusYuri wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:20 pmSee this is why we should have just done the first movie, then we could do the series proper because important stuff actually happens in A's xDEdvarius wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:58 pm I'm not sure how much of the background from the games Nanoha is a spin-off from you can really read into things as, well, there are at least a few portions are obviously aren't true. I think it's best to consider the games as having provided the looks and names for some of the characters, but that's about it. Mind you, Nanoha's dad obviously did used to have an immensely dangerous job in this setting, but it need not be the same kind of job. Kinda fun to think of alternate ones that would have resulted in those injuries, actually. I like to think that there's an action movie plot happening in the background of this series around Shiro, with somebody trying to drag him back for "one last assignment" while he insists he's just a baker now, but because Nanoha is so focused on her new magical girl duties she doesn't notice.
As for whether or not A's was requested... look, I'm not made of money. I had to save up for a while to get this one in the queue. Maybe somebody else has/will do it, but I haven't.
I mean legit I think the movie is a far better way to get someone into the series than the...actual first series. It works out! Since you're only really cramming about <3 hours of "important" material into two. xD And the fights are so gorgeous in the movies, too.