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They don't have a marriage counselor onboard.

clearspira wrote: ↑Sat Jun 11, 2022 5:41 pm All I could think of when Chuck noted that there are no counsellors on Voyager is: Starfleet's track record up until this point is Troi and Ezri. Torres would probably end up having her daughter aborted after seeking help from them.

Anyway, this is why designer babies is a dumb idea that should always be illegal.
''I don't like the ridges on my baby's forehead'' can easily transpose to -
''I don't like my baby being black''
''I don't like my baby being this sex''
''I don't like my baby being an inch too short''
''I don't like my baby having brown eyes when his sister has blue.''

That's how this works. Human beings as fashion. Human beings as objects. Or at worst, ethnic cleansing or gendercide. Human beings are not smart enough or mature enough to handle this power.

bz316 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:11 pm One thing I liked about this episode was that it didn't minimize what Torres went through as a kid, or make it seem like what she went through didn't matter. For someone who does not experience bigotry, it can be very easy to dismiss small expressions of it as "unimportant" or "something to ignore." But having to deal with insults, even if it's just childish taunting, because you are from a group different from that of the majority can eat away at a person, slowly chipping away at their self-esteem and making them feel like they are lesser than those around them. Adult Torres may be overreacting a bit in the present to things, but it is clearly built off of real trauma. Not just her father leaving her, but the memory of being diminished bit by bit every day of her life by those around her, including her own family.

clearspira wrote: ↑Sat Jun 11, 2022 5:41 pm All I could think of when Chuck noted that there are no counsellors on Voyager is: Starfleet's track record up until this point is Troi and Ezri. Torres would probably end up having her daughter aborted after seeking help from them.

clearspira wrote: ↑Sat Jun 11, 2022 5:41 pm All I could think of when Chuck noted that there are no counsellors on Voyager is: Starfleet's track record up until this point is Troi and Ezri. Torres would probably end up having her daughter aborted after seeking help from them.

9ansean wrote: ↑Sat Jun 11, 2022 9:04 pm

clearspira wrote: ↑Sat Jun 11, 2022 5:41 pm All I could think of when Chuck noted that there are no counsellors on Voyager is: Starfleet's track record up until this point is Troi and Ezri. Torres would probably end up having her daughter aborted after seeking help from them.

At least Troi would actually show Torres the kind of understanding she wasn't getting as a child. This episode really soured me on Mr. Torres. Because as someone whose had to deal with Tourette Syndrome and OSD since my pre-teens and all the bullying that came with it I personally HATE whenever anyone says "You need to learn to be less SENSITIVE." Especially to children! And I'm so glad Chuck pointed out that young Torres wasn't even acting out that badly at the time.

Yes one does need to know how to properly modulate your thoughts and sensations to work with those around you, but attempting to deny the doubting thoughts about yourself isn't going to make them go away. It's only go to leave you feeling like even more of a defective for to not being able to stop getting upset. What makes it especially bad in this case as that Klingons are routinely associated with a like of emotional control and brought in a culture that encourage them to channel aggression into honorable combat. To live with that stigma of being always associated with aggression and being expected to somehow not to be bother when provoked about it, potentially left her feeling like she was always a failure to both parts her identity.

It really says something that for all the flake Vulcans get for being unfeeling and condescending, at least Sarek confirmed for young Spock(in TAS: Yesteryear anyway) that separating yourself from emotions is highly challenging.

SAREK: Spock. Spock, being Vulcan means following disciplines and philosophies that are difficult and demanding of both mind and body.
Y SPOCK: Yes, father.
SAREK: You constantly display your emotions. You have even been seen fighting in the street.
Y SPOCK: Yes, father.
SAREK: The time draws near when you will have to decide whether you will follow Vulcan or human philosophy. Vulcan offers much. No war, no crime. Order, logic and control in place of raw emotions and instinct. Once on the path you choose, you cannot turn back.
Y SPOCK: Yes, father.