UK passing staunch gender bathroom law

[Captain Crimson]

I don't have to be within range, I'd do so in a heartbeat. No reason not to. Nor do I have to prove myself. I think transtrenders is a very event because I sincerely doubt many of these citing to be trans will have transitioned in the next generation. It's why I can't take woke in the movies or TV seriously.

As to my sex life, I'd already said I'm open to all options, whether a trans woman, a black woman, or a Russian woman, or a white woman, or anything and everything in between, but I can't really talk about that. Namely because I don't have a sex life.

And I'm okay with that.

[CmdrKing]

100% on point. If they're so fragile they are special needs, then what hope do they have in society? Should they not be put into a special-needs facility at the behest of their guardian or voluntarily? Because I've said before, we need thicker skin as a society. And yes, trans people have it rough, very horrible - to face that kinda gender crisis, you're right. I can't conceive of it. They need help. Which is why transtrenders are just so insidious. Claiming to be trans as a way to fit in - because again, we are not gonna have a mass sex-change transition in the next two decades. I'd guarantee that.

See, here's the thing: many of the problems facing trans people are artificial, needless hoops between trans people and proper medical care, up-to-date documentation, and now public toilets thanks to ninnies getting their underpants twisted worrying about phantom sex offenders pretending to be trans to access the women's toilet.
And this, this right here? This insistence that the problem facing trans people is "fake" trans people? Makes it harder to address those problems and lower those artificial barriers.

That is what makes it transphobic. You are standing between trans people and fixing the problems in their lives.

[goodperson25]

Bottom line being it cannot be transphobia because I literally have no issues with trans people in a real-world context. Online, I cannot. From statistics polls that may be tailored to fit an agenda, not that either. But I would never let someone's dysphoria in their gender state get in the way of a good friendship or even a romance. These are the issues you can suss out when you're talking to another human being face-to-face and want to maintain an open dialogue because you care about them.

Transphobia is about as meaningful as "misogyny" now - it's a useless buzzword that's lost all relevance because we got after such useless crap instead of the actual misogynists, like insisting a more traditional-oriented values approach makes you "misogynistic." "Misogyny" is defined as hatred of women, so by definition, most people are not misogynistic, just at worst, old-time sexist.

Would you let someone's lack of dysphoria get in the way? Because you seem to equate that with trans people. I'll repeat the question you've been asked but with clarification that I don't mean discussing their dysphoria or them as a person have you iterated your points such as who is and who isn't trans in front of an actual (trans)person?

[Captain Crimson]

Bottom line being it cannot be transphobia because I literally have no issues with trans people in a real-world context. Online, I cannot. From statistics polls that may be tailored to fit an agenda, not that either. But I would never let someone's dysphoria in their gender state get in the way of a good friendship or even a romance. These are the issues you can suss out when you're talking to another human being face-to-face and want to maintain an open dialogue because you care about them.

Transphobia is about as meaningful as "misogyny" now - it's a useless buzzword that's lost all relevance because we got after such useless crap instead of the actual misogynists, like insisting a more traditional-oriented values approach makes you "misogynistic." "Misogyny" is defined as hatred of women, so by definition, most people are not misogynistic, just at worst, old-time sexist.

Would you let someone's lack of dysphoria get in the way? Because you seem to equate that with trans people. I'll repeat the question you've been asked but with clarification that I don't mean discussing their dysphoria or them as a person have you iterated your points such as who is and who isn't trans in front of an actual (trans)person?

I take issue with rabid digital users demanding ever increasing changes from business makers to suit their demands, and social media is a poor way to gauge consumer feedback.

Look at corporate social justice that so many SJWs are touting out as some kinda progress. It's not when they don't really care about or believe in this stuff, at all.

Greedy, self-entitled, smug-nosed creeps don't know ethical or gendered or racial lines and exist among every breed of human. I think majority of transtrenders are coming online, not in the real world. The real world makes everything quite different.

[goodperson25]

Bottom line being it cannot be transphobia because I literally have no issues with trans people in a real-world context. Online, I cannot. From statistics polls that may be tailored to fit an agenda, not that either. But I would never let someone's dysphoria in their gender state get in the way of a good friendship or even a romance. These are the issues you can suss out when you're talking to another human being face-to-face and want to maintain an open dialogue because you care about them.

Transphobia is about as meaningful as "misogyny" now - it's a useless buzzword that's lost all relevance because we got after such useless crap instead of the actual misogynists, like insisting a more traditional-oriented values approach makes you "misogynistic." "Misogyny" is defined as hatred of women, so by definition, most people are not misogynistic, just at worst, old-time sexist.

Would you let someone's lack of dysphoria get in the way? Because you seem to equate that with trans people. I'll repeat the question you've been asked but with clarification that I don't mean discussing their dysphoria or them as a person have you iterated your points such as who is and who isn't trans in front of an actual (trans)person?

I take issue with rabid digital users demanding ever increasing changes from business makers to suit their demands, and social media is a poor way to gauge consumer feedback.

Look at corporate social justice that so many SJWs are touting out as some kinda progress. It's not when they don't really care about or believe in this stuff, at all.

Greedy, self-entitled, smug-nosed creeps don't know ethical or gendered or racial lines and exist among every breed of human. I think majority of transtrenders are coming online, not in the real world. The real world makes everything quite different.

Wow that is totally irrelevant to anything I said, frankly I kinda wish you went the route you did with other posts in this thread and just ignored me.

And yes the real world is different care to explain yourself to all the real people you are invalidating with your words and false information?

[Draco Dracul]

Bottom line being it cannot be transphobia because I literally have no issues with trans people in a real-world context. Online, I cannot. From statistics polls that may be tailored to fit an agenda, not that either. But I would never let someone's dysphoria in their gender state get in the way of a good friendship or even a romance. These are the issues you can suss out when you're talking to another human being face-to-face and want to maintain an open dialogue because you care about them.

Transphobia is about as meaningful as "misogyny" now - it's a useless buzzword that's lost all relevance because we got after such useless crap instead of the actual misogynists, like insisting a more traditional-oriented values approach makes you "misogynistic." "Misogyny" is defined as hatred of women, so by definition, most people are not misogynistic, just at worst, old-time sexist.

Would you let someone's lack of dysphoria get in the way? Because you seem to equate that with trans people. I'll repeat the question you've been asked but with clarification that I don't mean discussing their dysphoria or them as a person have you iterated your points such as who is and who isn't trans in front of an actual (trans)person?

I take issue with rabid digital users demanding ever increasing changes from business makers to suit their demands, and social media is a poor way to gauge consumer feedback.

Look at corporate social justice that so many SJWs are touting out as some kinda progress. It's not when they don't really care about or believe in this stuff, at all.

A lot of the "sjw" content you are railling against are genuine passion projects my minority creators. If business are doing this in response to social media that shows they are directly leading progress by getting more diverse voices behind the camera.

Greedy, self-entitled, smug-nosed creeps don't know ethical or gendered or racial lines and exist among every breed of human.

Would you mind explaining this because it sounds like you're promoting scientific racism and gender essentialism with this.

I think majority of transtrenders are coming online, not in the real world. The real world makes everything quite different.

What makes you believe that they aren't legitimately trans? Like even if some of them aren't the reduction of medical gate keeping for trans people can only be beneficial for us.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

I don't have to be within range, I'd do so in a heartbeat. No reason not to. Nor do I have to prove myself. I think transtrenders is a very event because I sincerely doubt many of these citing to be trans will have transitioned in the next generation. It's why I can't take woke in the movies or TV seriously.

As to my sex life, I'd already said I'm open to all options, whether a trans woman, a black woman, or a Russian woman, or a white woman, or anything and everything in between, but I can't really talk about that. Namely because I don't have a sex life.

And I'm okay with that.

So, regardless of what you CAN do or WOULD do, have you ever expressed these sentiments in person to a human being who you know is trans? Not some youtube comment section devil's advocate or case study in why twitter was a mistake.

And you do need to prove yourself, because you're speaking at length on a subject which you seem to know nothing about.

On a more personal note, "I'd be willing to date at trans woman or black woman" is not the flex that you think it is.

[clearspira]

People do realize that trans men also exist, right? Like if you're concerned about people making false claims to abuse women what's to stop a cis man to claim he's a trans man to get into the ladies room?

That's the interesting point of all this though innit. It's always transwomen who you hear complaining about not being let into women's changing rooms not the other way around.

But why is that? It goes back to what I was saying about rape. A woman knows that if she has the only vagina surrounded by twenty dicks then sooner or later, statistically, she will probably be in danger. But the lone dick surrounded by twenty vaginas is probably safe because most women do not rape men and even as a transwoman you still have your previous strength.

The more I read the arguments for letting men into women's bathrooms, the more I understand the terf movement. Because it really seems to me that we are trying to put 50% of the population at risk for the benefit of 1%.

[clearspira]

You make a good impassioned speech. And yet, I don't have a daughter, but i have a young niece. And I wouldn't want her anywhere near a fully equipped and fully grown man in a toilet or a changing room. The latter especially; and you can call me every slur you want, i'm not letting anyone with his dick out near her no matter what the excuse is because I do not know whether he is legitimately a transperson or some fucking pervert claiming to be one. Why do you think we even have separate toilets and changing rooms for anyway?

Most people in Britain back Boris Johnson on this. How do I know this? Because we had a local election last week and Boris increased his majority in the House of Commons whilst Labour - the party of identity politics - is now so far down in the polls many are wondering if it is even possible to get the Tories out of power this decade.

I'll say this too: despite what you may think of me or what it may sound like, I feel sorry for transpeople. To look into a mirror and see a stranger stare back at you is... wow. It must be horrific. I cannot imagine it and I glad I do not have to go through it. But. You. Are. Not. The. Only. Ones. With. Problems. Cis-women have problems too; most of which tend to originate from piece of shit men who should have had their dicks cut off before puberty before they learned to use them as weapons. If it wasn't for them then maybe this would not be such a controversial issue.

100% on point. If they're so fragile they are special needs, then what hope do they have in society? Should they not be put into a special-needs facility at the behest of their guardian or voluntarily? Because I've said before, we need thicker skin as a society. And yes, trans people have it rough, very horrible - to face that kinda gender crisis, you're right. I can't conceive of it. They need help. Which is why transtrenders are just so insidious. Claiming to be trans as a way to fit in - because again, we are not gonna have a mass sex-change transition in the next two decades. I'd guarantee that.

But as you noted, we all deal with s***. And we all have to endure, or we sink. Like a fish in the sea. Identity politics is the path to nowhere unless you're dealing with a rabid buffoon like Mr. Trump was.

The elephant in the room is that if you look into the stats, sex change reversal surgery is far more common than people like to admit. Problem is of course is that they can't, not really. Hormone blockers are one thing, replacing an appendage you've chopped off is another.

The saddest and most common story I have read tends to come from tomboys who as kids used to chop their hair short and wear trousers - and therefore MUST have been trans according to everyone around her and thus ended up in their opinion being brainwashed. Same for boys who like to play with dolls.

There is pressure among kids who do not fit into a box to take blockers now. Don't take it from me, take it from them.

[Thebestoftherest]

Bottom line being it cannot be transphobia because I literally have no issues with trans people in a real-world context. Online, I cannot. From statistics polls that may be tailored to fit an agenda, not that either. But I would never let someone's dysphoria in their gender state get in the way of a good friendship or even a romance. These are the issues you can suss out when you're talking to another human being face-to-face and want to maintain an open dialogue because you care about them.

Transphobia is about as meaningful as "misogyny" now - it's a useless buzzword that's lost all relevance because we got after such useless crap instead of the actual misogynists, like insisting a more traditional-oriented values approach makes you "misogynistic." "Misogyny" is defined as hatred of women, so by definition, most people are not misogynistic, just at worst, old-time sexist.

Would you let someone's lack of dysphoria get in the way? Because you seem to equate that with trans people. I'll repeat the question you've been asked but with clarification that I don't mean discussing their dysphoria or them as a person have you iterated your points such as who is and who isn't trans in front of an actual (trans)person?

I take issue with rabid digital users demanding ever increasing changes from business makers to suit their demands, and social media is a poor way to gauge consumer feedback.

Look at corporate social justice that so many SJWs are touting out as some kinda progress. It's not when they don't really care about or believe in this stuff, at all.

Greedy, self-entitled, smug-nosed creeps don't know ethical or gendered or racial lines and exist among every breed of human. I think majority of transtrenders are coming online, not in the real world. The real world makes everything quite different.

You mean like you?