Ancients vs. Federation (Morals off, bloodlusted)

[Frustration]

The two settings have different physical laws. Good luck getting those to work together.

[Frustration]

You can count the amount of things the replicators cannot replicate on one hand.

If "living things" counts as a single item, sure. Otherwise that hand's going to need a very large number of fingers.

Gold-pressed latinum is POSSIBLY one

No, latinum is acknowledged to be one, otherwise it would be useless as a medium of exchange. The gold part would be relatively simple, although synthesizing gold would be energetically expensive. (One of the things I respect about The Orville is that it acknowledges that available energy is a limiting factor.)

Naquadah is most definitely a substance replicators can't generate, because the laws of physics the Federation operates under doesn't permit it.

[Nealithi]

Naquadah is most definitely a substance replicators can't generate, because the laws of physics the Federation operates under doesn't permit it.

You may not be wrong. After all the Federation does not seem to be able to replicate dilithium. But your statement is a bit blunt. Please expand on why the replicators could not replicate naquada?

[Madner Kami]

Because he says so.

[McAvoy]

Because he says so.

Pretty much.

Doesn't even matter anyway. If an Ancient can make one out of 20th century parts and materials, pretty sure Star Trek engineers can figure it out themselves just by using those super duper Trek sensors.

So Trek woukd use a different material. Duranium, titanium whatever. Maybe even dilithium.

[Frustration]

Please expand on why the replicators could not replicate naquada?

Because naquadah doesn't exist in Star Trek's universe, any more than dilithium exists in Stargate's. Just as equivalent locations are different in the two franchises, the basic principles of physics that govern the behavior of matter are different. Samantha Carter can't drop in to the Federation Council by paying a visit to San Francisco, and Captain Picard can't have tea (Earl Grey, hot) with the Nox even if he takes the Enterprise to the star system SG-1 found to be their homeworld. Same deal with substances.

[McAvoy]

Please expand on why the replicators could not replicate naquada?

Because naquadah doesn't exist in Star Trek's universe, any more than dilithium exists in Stargate's. Just as equivalent locations are different in the two franchises, the basic principles of physics that govern the behavior of matter are different. Samantha Carter can't drop in to the Federation Council by paying a visit to San Francisco, and Captain Picard can't have tea (Earl Grey, hot) with the Nox even if he takes the Enterprise to the star system SG-1 found to be their homeworld. Same deal with substances.

Nice story. Usually with these sort of versus what ifs is the fact that they are sharing the same universe so the entire battle can actually happen.

I mean it's usually implied, but I can break down for it to you. This is a Stargate versus Star Trek discussion. So both universes exist in the same universe.

Which means yes dilithium exists so SG-1or whoever will eventually learn about it. And yes naquadah will exist in this too.

Which means Trek engineers will find out about it, use their sensors to analyze it. Maybe or maybe not they can replicate it. We do know that it occurs naturally. It can be used for starship construction or to amplify nukes.

[Nealithi]

Please expand on why the replicators could not replicate naquada?

Because naquadah doesn't exist in Star Trek's universe, any more than dilithium exists in Stargate's. Just as equivalent locations are different in the two franchises, the basic principles of physics that govern the behavior of matter are different. Samantha Carter can't drop in to the Federation Council by paying a visit to San Francisco, and Captain Picard can't have tea (Earl Grey, hot) with the Nox even if he takes the Enterprise to the star system SG-1 found to be their homeworld. Same deal with substances.

If we go with the whole 'totally different physics' argument then the debate on which would win in a war is moot. They simply can't meet, end discussion. Of course by that logic they use different physics than us so we should not be discussing them at all. The argument seem a bit dismissive.

[clearspira]

Please expand on why the replicators could not replicate naquada?

Because naquadah doesn't exist in Star Trek's universe, any more than dilithium exists in Stargate's. Just as equivalent locations are different in the two franchises, the basic principles of physics that govern the behavior of matter are different. Samantha Carter can't drop in to the Federation Council by paying a visit to San Francisco, and Captain Picard can't have tea (Earl Grey, hot) with the Nox even if he takes the Enterprise to the star system SG-1 found to be their homeworld. Same deal with substances.

If we go with the whole 'totally different physics' argument then the debate on which would win in a war is moot. They simply can't meet, end discussion. Of course by that logic they use different physics than us so we should not be discussing them at all. The argument seem a bit dismissive.

Yeah seriously. This whole debate depends on them meeting in some neutral universe where everything goes otherwise whole branches of their tech simply would not work. By this logic, if the Ancients attacked the Star Trek universe then the fact that they can build stargates and ZPMs is an irrelevant point because the resources and infrastructure isn't there to do so. And similarly, without dilithium then warp drive is impossible.

I mean, if we want to get pedantic about this, the Ancients and Federation are separated by millions of years and are too similar in nature to go to war with each other even if they weren't. The fun of debates such as these is not getting hung up on why or how the fight is happening. If you cannot get over that then perhaps this isn't the right discussion for you.

[Frustration]

We've been over that. The Ancients win, hands down.

Next fantasy fight pair-up!