TNG- 11001001

[clearspira]

M-hm, is that so? Well, explain to me please, how a CPU works. Or try to explain why having multiple non-OS-integrated firewalls or anti-virus programs (or even just one for that matter) is the dumbest idea in the history of ever (presuming you actually are aware why that is a problem yourself). Electronics in particular are essentially magic to your average everyday user. Even explaining something simple like an internal combustion engine will make them sound like a Pakled ("An explosion makes things go round").

Yep. Y'know, i've long held the theory that your average human isn't actually that much smarter than your average human was a thousand years ago. What we are is intelligent in relative terms. Your average not-an-idiot human knows of the basics of the things around us: DNA, quantum physics, astronomy, bacteria etc. which puts us ahead of our ancestors. But if society were to end tomorrow, 95% of us would not know the slightest thing about how to actually rebuild any of our wondrous technology or to implement those concepts in any meaningful way.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

I think that's an entirely reasonable supposition and most would agree with it. It's not like our brains improved within the span of a millenia, or even the lifespan of homo sapiens as a species. The designation of "Homo sapiens sapiens" was little more than a chronological vanity.

[Deledrius]

We all know computers aren't real.

It's true. That's why they made The Matrix.

Yep. Y'know, i've long held the theory that your average human isn't actually that much smarter than your average human was a thousand years ago.

That's just basically true. Modern Human is Modern Human. Mostly we've just been piling up social and technological "software" on top of the same hardware for tens of thousands of years now.

[CharlesPhipps]

To be fair, I kind of reject the Bell Curve belief that intelligence is inherently genetic. There's a certain political group that wants to believe education is not really worth it. I fully believe that your "average person" when given a proper education is a lot smarter than the person 1000 years ago.

It's kind of the basis of democracy (why people who hate democracy want to state education doesn't effect the average person).

[Archanubis]

Boimler succeeded, multiple times. Until evil mommy told him to fail on purpose. Also, Kobayashi says what?

Yeah, Boimler succeeded multiple times, and it's only his own OCD that prevented him from accepting the results. And "Evil Mommy" and Mariner didn't tell him to fail, just keep the simulator running until they could freak out the drill instructor - which, admittedly, did cause him to fail in the end, but hopefully the computer recorded his past results. Then again, this show being what it is...

And the Kobyashi Maru is specifically designed to test a candidate's reaction to a no-win scenario, so its failure clause does have a specific point. The drill instructor's tests were specifically set to fail (it's just Boimler was a specific spanner in the works), so she could keep her job.

[MightyDavidson]

Boimler succeeded, multiple times. Until evil mommy told him to fail on purpose. Also, Kobayashi says what?

Yeah, Boimler succeeded multiple times, and it's only his own OCD that prevented him from accepting the results. And "Evil Mommy" and Mariner didn't tell him to fail, just keep the simulator running until they could freak out the drill instructor - which, admittedly, did cause him to fail in the end, but hopefully the computer recorded his past results. Then again, this show being what it is...

And the Kobyashi Maru is specifically designed to test a candidate's reaction to a no-win scenario, so its failure clause does have a specific point. The drill instructor's tests were specifically set to fail (it's just Boimler was a specific spanner in the works), so she could keep her job.

Well if memory serves, Freeman and Mariner made the drill instructor give them a passing grade and it's revealed at the end of the episode that the drill instructor left Starfleet. So since she clearly didn't rat them out, it can be assumed Boimler got a passing grade just like everybody else.

[CrypticMirror]

Boimler succeeded, multiple times. Until evil mommy told him to fail on purpose. Also, Kobayashi says what?

Yeah, Boimler succeeded multiple times, and it's only his own OCD that prevented him from accepting the results. And "Evil Mommy" and Mariner didn't tell him to fail, just keep the simulator running until they could freak out the drill instructor - which, admittedly, did cause him to fail in the end, but hopefully the computer recorded his past results. Then again, this show being what it is...

And the Kobyashi Maru is specifically designed to test a candidate's reaction to a no-win scenario, so its failure clause does have a specific point. The drill instructor's tests were specifically set to fail (it's just Boimler was a specific spanner in the works), so she could keep her job.

Since her job was to design harder and harder scenarios, she was doing her actual job. Freeman et al putting the ship and lives at risk to drive her to a breakdown in order to keep their own positions while Boimler saved them, is just proof the Cerritos crew deserved to be failures.

You know the difference between the Cerritos crew and the Red Dwarf crew? when the latter screw someone over to save their own skins, they are rarely portrayed as being or feeling in the right for doing so. That is why I have problems with lower decks; it is one thing to have hapless losers who cling to their positions like barnacles to a hull, providing the narrative acknowledges that the motivating factor is them not wanting to lose. With Lower Decks they project the attitude they don't deserve to lose. And that is a very different thing.

[CharlesPhipps]

Since her job was to design harder and harder scenarios, she was doing her actual job. Freeman et al putting the ship and lives at risk to drive her to a breakdown in order to keep their own positions while Boimler saved them, is just proof the Cerritos crew deserved to be failures.

Freeman didn't put the ship in danger. She exposed the Drill Instructor as a fraud since she didn't know that the scenario was harmless. Also, if you have a Doctor forced to commit euthanasia and remove GLOVES from the uniform of your radiation suit you are cheating and discouraging actual work.

Ironically, if she had been trying to build teamwork then she would have been a proper Starfleet officer.

You know the difference between the Cerritos crew and the Red Dwarf crew? when the latter screw someone over to save their own skins, they are rarely portrayed as being or feeling in the right for doing so. That is why I have problems with lower decks; it is one thing to have hapless losers who cling to their positions like barnacles to a hull, providing the narrative acknowledges that the motivating factor is them not wanting to lose. With Lower Decks they project the attitude they don't deserve to lose. And that is a very different thing.

Red Dwarf is a very cynical series about a bunch of self-interested assholes (and Lister). While Lower Decks is about a bunch of incompetent idealistic people who are very good at one thing.

[J!!]

That one explicitly said the tests were all rigged.

[MightyDavidson]

That one explicitly said the tests were all rigged.

That one was also a fraud, with no actual experience aboard a starship. A hypocrite who's judging the crew of the Cerritos for not being able to handle her rigged simulations, when she falls apart at the most minor danger, stuff the crew handled with no effort.