New Stargate series potentially in the works

[clearspira]

I get what you mean but, my point remains. The originals are still there. The emotions they instilled in me are still there and while Extended Editions have many things that fans don't like (I personally am not the biggest fan of the Sarlac Pit) it didn't actually change the story. For me, despite all of the issues I have with TDST it didn't ruin the world of Star Wars because what I love is still here. It's not Lucas Film or Disney broke into my house and destroyed my copies of TTT, TPT, TOT or the Clone Wars, I still have them all right here whenever I feel the need to go over them again.

That's wonderful, and I hope you continue to enjoy those works.

People love using this excuse, and all it demonstrates to me is that they can't understand how other people consume and enjoy these stories. Your experience is not universal, nor is it objectively superior. All you're doing when you say this is invalidating the experiences of someone else who is telling you their enjoyment has been harmed.

There's a similar discussion regarding enjoying works when it's been revealed that the author(s) are in some way terrible. Some people are capable of separating the two things, and some people are not. You're not going to convince someone whose enjoyment of the work is wrecked by finding out the author says or does terrible things by telling them it doesn't bother you.

Never said that it was, I was just trying to understand the mindset and in my defense, clearspira has used the "This Ruins the story" as if it is a universal trait. For example, this is what they posted when I talked about the then recently announced live-action She-Ra series being made by Amazon.

I just can't wait for it to change something massive that pisses the reboot fans off, and I get to sit here and say ''that's what it feels like to have a cartoon you love get destroyed.''
The schadenfreude is potentially strong in this one.

I never said my view is universal. I even went out of my way to make clear that this is just my opinion. If I came off as rude that certainly wasn't my intent I was just trying to figure out how this line of thought works because I find it interesting. I'm not buying anything by JK Rowling because of her trans-phobia and in that regards finding it hard to enjoy her works is easier to understand and while it hasn't ruined Harry Potter for me (a Trans woman) I get why it would for others.

But there's a difference between the creator does something wrong or enforces a mindset that is dangerous to others and a crap story that is tied to a series I enjoy. I'm not saying those views are invalided I just wish to understand and you've actually explained it in way that makes sense so thank, sincerely.

I'm not trying to use my mindset as an excuse I'm trying to understand the a view I don't share. Clearspira's comment just stood out to me because it's something I've heard many times and it's something I just don't understand.

In hindsight I will apologise for that comment. It was mean-spirited.

But to answer the point at hand: that is not how I enjoy a work. For me, world-building is the be-all and end-all. I need the lore, the continuity, I need the universe to make sense. That is why something as silly sounding and patently meaningless to most people as ''Klingons have two dicks'' makes people like me cross because its like ''but they don't though. That contravenes this, this, and this that has already been established.'' Its very anal-retentive and very reflective of the fact that I am low-key obsessive compulsive in general. But there you go: I now I have to fit that into my understanding of Worf and Jadzia's relationship.

I will never get tired of Linkara's review of Identity Crisis where he points out that the mind-rape of Dr Light and Batman retroactively ruins every story after this point because that is now there. Always there. In the background. When these heroes are there fighting for good, they also secretly mind-raped their friend and comrade.

And that's why Disney ruined Star Wars for me. I can't enjoy ROTJ like I used to, because I now know that Palpatine didn't die, Anakin is the Chosen One in name only, Luke is going to become a hobo, Han is going to abandon his wife and child, and Leia is going to be shunned from the New Republic. The celebratory hopeful ending is meaningless.

[Winter]

In hindsight I will apologise for that comment. It was mean-spirited.

But to answer the point at hand: that is not how I enjoy a work. For me, world-building is the be-all and end-all. I need the lore, the continuity, I need the universe to make sense. That is why something as silly sounding and patently meaningless to most people as ''Klingons have two dicks'' makes people like me cross because its like ''but they don't though. That contravenes this, this, and this that has already been established.'' Its very anal-retentive and very reflective of the fact that I am low-key obsessive compulsive in general. But there you go: I now I have to fit that into my understanding of Worf and Jadzia's relationship.

I will never get tired of Linkara's review of Identity Crisis where he points out that the mind-rape of Dr Light and Batman retroactively ruins every story after this point because that is now there. Always there. In the background. When these heroes are there fighting for good, they also secretly mind-raped their friend and comrade.

And that's why Disney ruined Star Wars for me. I can't enjoy ROTJ like I used to, because I now know that Palpatine didn't die, Anakin is the Chosen One in name only, Luke is going to become a hobo, Han is going to abandon his wife and child, and Leia is going to be shunned from the New Republic. The celebratory hopeful ending is meaningless.

I get what you mean, it's hard to watch Vader turning on Palpatine knowing that, in the end, it's now meaningless in the films. But the way I see it, emphasis on how I See it, I don't have to except TDST as canon and TTT is still a thing and in the Legends continuity, it wasn't for nothing. Legends isn't perfect (it also brought back Palpatine and, again, ended with my least favorite story in the series) but in the end, Anakin's family lived, Palpatine never regained his power and the Skywalker/Solo clan went on to have more adventures. And LOTF is so far into the series that it's easy for me to just pretend it doesn't exist and one day the series will get back on track.

There's a scene from the underrated George of the Jungle live-action film that has always stuck because it always proves to be right. Skip to 1:52


youtu.be/ty654Q8W6WM

I love that movie.

[Frustration]

As the saying goes, you never get a second change to make a first impression.

The principle is more general. Once an idea or an association has been made part of an extended work, it's there forever. We can ignore inconsistencies that damage our ability to think of the stories' setting as a real place if they're not too extensive, it's not brought up often, and we can find ways to rationalize them - at worst, sometimes we can just ignore them completely, as fans of Star Trek have always had to do. We know the universal translator is nonsense, not in how it's described but how the show actually works. Same arguments hold for SG-1. But a half-hour episode doesn't have time to spend on dealing with certain kinds of logistical issues AND tell a complete story, so we get over it.

But imagine, for example, that the Star Wars movies included a shot where camera crews and other real-world personnel were clearly visible in the background. Wouldn't that ruin your ability to take the rest of the movie seriously? Even though, in a product with much lower standards and less money, you might be willing to ignore it completely? You know perfectly well that everyone is acting and the sets aren't real, but the intrusion of the real world into the fantasy world destroys that fantasy just as thoroughly as poking a finger into a soap bubble bursts that bubble.