The Last of Us "Remake"

[Winter]

youtu.be/WxjeV10H1F0

So, this is pretty much just a remaster in terms of story and cutscenes. From everything I've seen, read and heard the story will have no major alterations and this will instead work to be as faithful to the original game as possible. The game Will however include new gameplay elements (including changes to exploration and combat), improved controls and expanded accessibility options so while in terms of the story there doesn't seem to be any changes the gameplay has been remade to which I say, good.

I'm not one of those fans who see the first Last of Us as the "Citizen Kane" of video games but I do agree that it's a great game and a classic that still holds up as a story. However, I do feel that the gameplay has aged rather poorly with the mechanics feeling a bit more clunky and slow compared to other games of its time (best example I can point to is Tomb Raider: A Survivor is Born and, weird as this may sound, Assassin's Creed 3's Expansion Pack the Tyranny of King Washington) so I would be all for the original story with updated gameplay.

Now I have heard rumors that there will be changes made to the story but so far I've only heard this from 3d and in many cases 4th parties so take that with a grain of salt but if true that makes me less optimistic. Putting my own personal feelings aside on the whole TLOU2 is more critically mixed amongst fans of the series with many hating the game while others love it so while including story tie-ins to the second game might be liked by some it likely wouldn't go down well with others. However, I wouldn't be apposed to a new "DLC" that does tie into the second game which I think would be a good compromise. Fans who like the second game get content that ties into it while those who dislike the game can just ignore it if they so wish and just focus on the elements they do enjoy.

I can't say I'm exited for this "Remake" as if the rumors are true and the game is altered to tie into the controversial second game that will turn me off from playing it but if this is good and just lets us replay a great game with upgraded graphics and gameplay then I'll happily buy it. Giving older games a chance to be played on new systems is something that should be encouraged as it will allow those stories to survive so we can avoid the mistake of the Doctor Who Lost Episodes. I want games I love to still be playable in the future instead of losing them when the Consoles I played them on break down.

Again, not excited but optimistic for when this comes out.

[clearspira]

youtu.be/WxjeV10H1F0

So, this is pretty much just a remaster in terms of story and cutscenes. From everything I've seen, read and heard the story will have no major alterations and this will instead work to be as faithful to the original game as possible. The game Will however include new gameplay elements (including changes to exploration and combat), improved controls and expanded accessibility options so while in terms of the story there doesn't seem to be any changes the gameplay has been remade to which I say, good.

I'm not one of those fans who see the first Last of Us as the "Citizen Kane" of video games but I do agree that it's a great game and a classic that still holds up as a story. However, I do feel that the gameplay has aged rather poorly with the mechanics feeling a bit more clunky and slow compared to other games of its time (best example I can point to is Tomb Raider: A Survivor is Born and, weird as this may sound, Assassin's Creed 3's Expansion Pack the Tyranny of King Washington) so I would be all for the original story with updated gameplay.

Now I have heard rumors that there will be changes made to the story but so far I've only heard this from 3d and in many cases 4th parties so take that with a grain of salt but if true that makes me less optimistic. Putting my own personal feelings aside on the whole TLOU2 is more critically mixed amongst fans of the series with many hating the game while others love it so while including story tie-ins to the second game might be liked by some it likely wouldn't go down well with others. However, I wouldn't be apposed to a new "DLC" that does tie into the second game which I think would be a good compromise. Fans who like the second game get content that ties into it while those who dislike the game can just ignore it if they so wish and just focus on the elements they do enjoy.

I can't say I'm exited for this "Remake" as if the rumors are true and the game is altered to tie into the controversial second game that will turn me off from playing it but if this is good and just lets us replay a great game with upgraded graphics and gameplay then I'll happily buy it. Giving older games a chance to be played on new systems is something that should be encouraged as it will allow those stories to survive so we can avoid the mistake of the Doctor Who Lost Episodes. I want games I love to still be playable in the future instead of losing them when the Consoles I played them on break down.

Again, not excited but optimistic for when this comes out.

I can see them putting in some scene to make Joel less sympathetic. That is one of the reasons why TLOU2 sucked. The writers seemed to be under the impression that they had written a completely different Joel and Ellie than they actually did. They also seemed to be ignorant as to why the original game was beloved.
I can also see them ramp up the lesbian in Ellie. She is an example of what I was saying on the other thread about treating hetero and homosexuals as the same thing. Her sexuality means nothing in TLOU1. You would barely know if you never played the DLC and thus greatly helped to her being widely accepted. But that is not the fashionable approach any more.

[Winter]

I can see them putting in some scene to make Joel less sympathetic. That is one of the reasons why TLOU2 sucked. The writers seemed to be under the impression that they had written a completely different Joel and Ellie than they actually did. They also seemed to be ignorant as to why the original game was beloved.
I can also see them ramp up the lesbian in Ellie. She is an example of what I was saying on the other thread about treating hetero and homosexuals as the same thing. Her sexuality means nothing in TLOU1. You would barely know if you never played the DLC and thus greatly helped to her being widely accepted. But that is not the fashionable approach any more.

Okay, if you're going comment on something PLEASE do some research on it. I actually read up on the articles, listen to the comments from creators, marketing and Executives Producers and everything they've said has been that this will be a faithful retelling of the original game. And in terms of TLOU2 the game DOES work to keep Joel and Ellie in character as shown in their flashbacks. The whole point of TLOU2 is that things are meant to be more morally grey because we know Joel was a good person and SEE him being a good, if over protective, father towards Ellie in TLOU2. This is something Abby does NOT know which is why we walk in her shoes later on because we see her as she saw Joel, a cold ruthless monster only to see she is more complex then that.

Now, I think they dropped the ball on the execution of this in the game itself as the way it's presented makes it impossible to root for Abby given that we know she has killed kids and Lev is given no real depth and is really only there to make Abby look good. However, the idea that the game is trying to present is not a bad one and the game does show Joel to be a good person who made a mistake and the drama between him and Ellie is well written IMO.

Onto the next point, Ellie's sexuality is written with no special attention in the second game. Outside of one bigoted idiot that is there more for the drama between Joel and Ellie NO One really makes a big deal about Ellie's sexuality. The most we get is Jess who is slightly annoyed at Ellie but if Ellie was a guy there wouldn't really be any difference in how it was written. And in terms of other shows that are "To Forward" could you possible give me some examples because outside of the story having Queer characters most shows, movies, games, novels or comics IN THE STORY THEMSELVES don't really make a big deal about the characters being queer.

To use one of my favorite shows, She-Ra and the Princesses of Power, the fact that the show is made with pretty much every color of the rainbow, that's not something anyone draws attention to. It is a cast full of gays/bisexuals but that's not really something anyone draws attention to. The Owl House is Disney's gayest show and Dana Terrace herself stated that LGBT rights is NOT something the show treats as a big deal. So Luz is bi and in a relationship with lesbian Amity, so what? Most people are just like how cute they are together. Kipo has one of the leads being gay and in a relationship with another guy and it's not treated as anymore unusual then if he was in a relationship with a girl.

Honestly there's people making a big deal BEHIND the scenes about characters being queer then in what we actually see. Eternals had a lot of press for having a same sex couple and they were barely focused on (there was a LOT more attention to the heterosexual couple of Sersi and Ikaris). And Amphibia made a lot of headlines for including Drag Queen RuPaul playing Mr. X who is also a drag queen (though that's never shown beyond him wearing lipstick and acting feminine) and Horizon Forbidden West got a lot of heated discussion for including LGBT characters even though the game itself doesn't treat this like a big deal.

You've told me that you're British and that over in England that Homosexuality wasn't treated saying, quote

Britain did not care about LGBT in our media back then. I'll give you an example. One of the biggest storylines of the 90s on Coronation Street (a show that regularly got up to 20 million viewers in a country that barely had 60 million people in it) was Roy Cropper dating a woman named Hayley who turned out to be trans after they were dating. Were the fans full of rage at ''the entrapment'' or ''the evil trans monster'' or anything like that? No. it was ''will Roy find happiness?'' BTW, Hayley went on to become a main character in Corrie for the next decade.

Whilst this was going on over in Eastenders (again up to 20 million viewers) was the Mark fowler HIV storyline. Did the fans think ''dirty gay guy'' or did they think ''poor Mark I hope he gets better?'' *hint* it was the latter. I was there.

By the standards of that, that in the show itself this was not given that much attention in the story itself then all the examples I have listed and others I've mentioned on the same page I'm quoting this from at the start of that post

Dragon Age
Mass Effect
Dreadnought/Nemesis
Fear Street (Netflix)
Life is Strange
Wayne Family Adventures
Revolutionary Girl Utena
Sailor Moon
Cloud Atlas
Sense8
Arcane
Doctor Who
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Xena: Warrior Princess

Pass the test as most do not make a big deal about having LGBT characters of the ones that do make a big deal that comes to a grand total of FIVE (Dreadnought, Fear Street, Cloud Atlas, Sense8 and Buffy) and in those five it makes sense given A the time the stories were released (Buffy) or deal with issues that are still a big deal in the time the story is set (Fear Street and Cloud Atlas) or IS a big deal right now or in the place the story is set (Dreadnought and Sense8).

Now, if you want an example of LGBT Rep being done poorly I'll give you one. TLOU2.

While Ellie being gay isn't treated as that big of a deal in the story outside of one scene Lev being trans is and it is handled, in the opinion of the trans woman talking to you, BADLY! Him being a trans boy is the ONLY thing the game cares about. It will not SHUT UP about him being trans. Every conversation about with him or ABOUT him is about him being trans. Even him being a member of a cult ties into him being trans as the reason they are trying to kill him is because he's trans. While the wolves don't seem to care the fact of the matter is the STORY cares and it's the only thing anyone does care about.

And again, the game KEEPS dead naming him which is the worst thing that can be done with someone who is trans. It's like calling a black person the N word. It comes off less like it's being done for the story (like it is in Dreadnought and Blazing Saddle) and more just to be Edgy.

While he is very well played by a trans actor the fact of the matter is him being trans is the only thing the game cares about. Contrast this with Dreadnought, while Danny being trans is a BIG part of her character it's not the ONLY thing about her. Her passion and love of Superheroes, her relationship with her parents which is abusive, her romance with her friend Sarah, her growing mother/daughter relationship with Dr. Impossible. Her crush/later side mentor relationship with Valkyrja, her rivalry with Red Steel and her trauma at all that is happening to her and those she loves and hates make her more then just the "Trans Superhero". Some of those points tie into her being trans but only her adversary Graywytch makes a big deal out of it.

Her parents were abusive towards her before she transitioned, Doc telling the Legion how she was changed affects her relationship with her and Graywytch being a bitch about her being trans taints her love for the Legion but that's about it. Her being trans is PART of her character it's not the only thing.

Again, by the standards you have set, what is "Forced" and what is "Treated as Normal/Not a Big Deal"? Oh and by the way, in Coronation Street, Hayley is bullied for being trans and it's treated as a big deal.


youtu.be/Wfsyvmp7hAE


youtu.be/YjMJaJL6wlg


youtu.be/E43AuwQg1vc

AND the show also dealt with Homophobia.


youtu.be/pW4iT_tFBa8

Again, this is made out a big deal and is just as "Forced" as it is over on Dreadnought, Fear Street, Cloud Atlas, Sense8 and Buffy.

Again, TLOU2 handles Ellie being gay by not making a big deal about it while making a big deal about Lev being trans. One is done well and not really in your face while the other won't shut up about it.

Hayley being trans is not all there is to her character, just like Danny. Lev is defined by being trans.

[clearspira]

I can see them putting in some scene to make Joel less sympathetic. That is one of the reasons why TLOU2 sucked. The writers seemed to be under the impression that they had written a completely different Joel and Ellie than they actually did. They also seemed to be ignorant as to why the original game was beloved.
I can also see them ramp up the lesbian in Ellie. She is an example of what I was saying on the other thread about treating hetero and homosexuals as the same thing. Her sexuality means nothing in TLOU1. You would barely know if you never played the DLC and thus greatly helped to her being widely accepted. But that is not the fashionable approach any more.

Okay, if you're going comment on something PLEASE do some research on it. I actually read up on the articles, listen to the comments from creators, marketing and Executives Producers and everything they've said has been that this will be a faithful retelling of the original game. And in terms of TLOU2 the game DOES work to keep Joel and Ellie in character as shown in their flashbacks. The whole point of TLOU2 is that things are meant to be more morally grey because we know Joel was a good person and SEE him being a good, if over protective, father towards Ellie in TLOU2. This is something Abby does NOT know which is why we walk in her shoes later on because we see her as she saw Joel, a cold ruthless monster only to see she is more complex then that.

Now, I think they dropped the ball on the execution of this in the game itself as the way it's presented makes it impossible to root for Abby given that we know she has killed kids and Lev is given no real depth and is really only there to make Abby look good. However, the idea that the game is trying to present is not a bad one and the game does show Joel to be a good person who made a mistake and the drama between him and Ellie is well written IMO.

Onto the next point, Ellie's sexuality is written with no special attention in the second game. Outside of one bigoted idiot that is there more for the drama between Joel and Ellie NO One really makes a big deal about Ellie's sexuality. The most we get is Jess who is slightly annoyed at Ellie but if Ellie was a guy there wouldn't really be any difference in how it was written. And in terms of other shows that are "To Forward" could you possible give me some examples because outside of the story having Queer characters most shows, movies, games, novels or comics IN THE STORY THEMSELVES don't really make a big deal about the characters being queer.

To use one of my favorite shows, She-Ra and the Princesses of Power, the fact that the show is made with pretty much every color of the rainbow, that's not something anyone draws attention to. It is a cast full of gays/bisexuals but that's not really something anyone draws attention to. The Owl House is Disney's gayest show and Dana Terrace herself stated that LGBT rights is NOT something the show treats as a big deal. So Luz is bi and in a relationship with lesbian Amity, so what? Most people are just like how cute they are together. Kipo has one of the leads being gay and in a relationship with another guy and it's not treated as anymore unusual then if he was in a relationship with a girl.

Honestly there's people making a big deal BEHIND the scenes about characters being queer then in what we actually see. Eternals had a lot of press for having a same sex couple and they were barely focused on (there was a LOT more attention to the heterosexual couple of Sersi and Ikaris). And Amphibia made a lot of headlines for including Drag Queen RuPaul playing Mr. X who is also a drag queen (though that's never shown beyond him wearing lipstick and acting feminine) and Horizon Forbidden West got a lot of heated discussion for including LGBT characters even though the game itself doesn't treat this like a big deal.

You've told me that you're British and that over in England that Homosexuality wasn't treated saying, quote

Britain did not care about LGBT in our media back then. I'll give you an example. One of the biggest storylines of the 90s on Coronation Street (a show that regularly got up to 20 million viewers in a country that barely had 60 million people in it) was Roy Cropper dating a woman named Hayley who turned out to be trans after they were dating. Were the fans full of rage at ''the entrapment'' or ''the evil trans monster'' or anything like that? No. it was ''will Roy find happiness?'' BTW, Hayley went on to become a main character in Corrie for the next decade.

Whilst this was going on over in Eastenders (again up to 20 million viewers) was the Mark fowler HIV storyline. Did the fans think ''dirty gay guy'' or did they think ''poor Mark I hope he gets better?'' *hint* it was the latter. I was there.

By the standards of that, that in the show itself this was not given that much attention in the story itself then all the examples I have listed and others I've mentioned on the same page I'm quoting this from at the start of that post

Dragon Age
Mass Effect
Dreadnought/Nemesis
Fear Street (Netflix)
Life is Strange
Wayne Family Adventures
Revolutionary Girl Utena
Sailor Moon
Cloud Atlas
Sense8
Arcane
Doctor Who
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Xena: Warrior Princess

Pass the test as most do not make a big deal about having LGBT characters of the ones that do make a big deal that comes to a grand total of FIVE (Dreadnought, Fear Street, Cloud Atlas, Sense8 and Buffy) and in those five it makes sense given A the time the stories were released (Buffy) or deal with issues that are still a big deal in the time the story is set (Fear Street and Cloud Atlas) or IS a big deal right now or in the place the story is set (Dreadnought and Sense8).

Now, if you want an example of LGBT Rep being done poorly I'll give you one. TLOU2.

While Ellie being gay isn't treated as that big of a deal in the story outside of one scene Lev being trans is and it is handled, in the opinion of the trans woman talking to you, BADLY! Him being a trans boy is the ONLY thing the game cares about. It will not SHUT UP about him being trans. Every conversation about with him or ABOUT him is about him being trans. Even him being a member of a cult ties into him being trans as the reason they are trying to kill him is because he's trans. While the wolves don't seem to care the fact of the matter is the STORY cares and it's the only thing anyone does care about.

And again, the game KEEPS dead naming him which is the worst thing that can be done with someone who is trans. It's like calling a black person the N word. It comes off less like it's being done for the story (like it is in Dreadnought and Blazing Saddle) and more just to be Edgy.

While he is very well played by a trans actor the fact of the matter is him being trans is the only thing the game cares about. Contrast this with Dreadnought, while Danny being trans is a BIG part of her character it's not the ONLY thing about her. Her passion and love of Superheroes, her relationship with her parents which is abusive, her romance with her friend Sarah, her growing mother/daughter relationship with Dr. Impossible. Her crush/later side mentor relationship with Valkyrja, her rivalry with Red Steel and her trauma at all that is happening to her and those she loves and hates make her more then just the "Trans Superhero". Some of those points tie into her being trans but only her adversary Graywytch makes a big deal out of it.

Her parents were abusive towards her before she transitioned, Doc telling the Legion how she was changed affects her relationship with her and Graywytch being a bitch about her being trans taints her love for the Legion but that's about it. Her being trans is PART of her character it's not the only thing.

Again, by the standards you have set, what is "Forced" and what is "Treated as Normal/Not a Big Deal"? Oh and by the way, in Coronation Street, Hayley is bullied for being trans and it's treated as a big deal.


youtu.be/Wfsyvmp7hAE


youtu.be/YjMJaJL6wlg


youtu.be/E43AuwQg1vc

AND the show also dealt with Homophobia.


youtu.be/pW4iT_tFBa8

Again, this is made out a big deal and is just as "Forced" as it is over on Dreadnought, Fear Street, Cloud Atlas, Sense8 and Buffy.

Again, TLOU2 handles Ellie being gay by not making a big deal about it while making a big deal about Lev being trans. One is done well and not really in your face while the other won't shut up about it.

Hayley being trans is not all there is to her character, just like Danny. Lev is defined by being trans.

Then why did you say that there are rumours of the story being changed? Come on dude work with me here.

[hammerofglass]

Seems weird to remake/remaster such a recent game in any case. It's not even a decade old.

[Winter]

Seems weird to remake/remaster such a recent game in any case. It's not even a decade old.

Agreed, when I first heard they were planning on rebooting the game I was like "Wait, what? Why?" It was kinda like when The Amazing Spider-Man was announced as it was only 5 years after Spider-Man 3 and while that film had it's issues there wasn't anything in it that I thought was bad enough to warrant a reboot. The reason here seems to be to tie into the upcoming TV series which is an adaptation of the first game which doesn't really seem necessary. However, from what I understand it's also a result of some of the creative forces wanting to A) Win back some of the fans due to a number of issues with Naughty Dog over the last few years and B) Because some felt that the gameplay wasn't as good as it was so they wanted to improve it.

But if the reboot isn't good we still have the original which can be played on PS5 so no major loss.

[ProfessorDetective]

Might finally play it when it hits PC, if I have a machine that is up to the task.

As to the "remake", if they'd wanted to rebuild the game in Part II's engine for consistencies sake or somesuch, it'd be neat to me. This doesn't seem THAT ambitious.

[CharlesPhipps]

If Naughty Dog can sell the story of a wildly popular video game with tens of millions to hundreds of millions on HBO, good for them. Whatever helps elevate video games as art is a good thing and while THE LAST OF US is "just" a really-really good zombie game, it is is a REALLY-REALLY good zombie game.

I'm also not worried about Joel being portrayed as unsympathetic because Joel himself is an asshole for half of his experience with Ellie and freely admits he's a former Raider. Even in the present, he's serving as a smuggler's muscle with Tess.

It's Ellie's presence in his life that moves him from Neutral Evil and dead inside to Neutral or even Neutral Good.

[CharlesPhipps]

I can also see them ramp up the lesbian in Ellie. She is an example of what I was saying on the other thread about treating hetero and homosexuals as the same thing. Her sexuality means nothing in TLOU1. You would barely know if you never played the DLC and thus greatly helped to her being widely accepted. But that is not the fashionable approach any more.

I mean, I should HOPE that there's a difference between a twelve year old and a eighteen year old in her romances.