SG-1: Revelations

[Swiftbow]

Well, you could also phrase that as "the other Gou'ald System Lords behave more or less like Apophis". As far as the TV version of the franchise goes, Apophis came first.

True.

Or behave how Ra did in the movie.

If you watch the series, Ba'al really is the only one that shows anything past the stereotypical Villian trope.

Anubis is only slightly better than the rest with the combination of being half ascended, knowing the rules sort of thing. But when he is burning out his human hosts he is still behaving like the other System Lords.

Maybe you could give him something in that diner scene thing Daniel was in when talking to Anubis.

Yeah Anubis has more going for him compared to let's say Chronos or Apophis. But in the end, he still feels like he is still going through similar motions as other System Lords.

Compared to Ba'al who infiltrated Earth. Made himself into a business man. Was devious. Made clones to make it even more difficult to kill him. Didn't behave at all like a System Lord besides his initial appearance.

That and on a one on one level he behaved a whole lot different than the others.

He also had one of the best ideas for stopping Adria (well, BECOMING Adria. And it didn't work out, but points for trying). And he also respected our heroes... something no other Goa'uld ever came close to.

His arc also led to one of my favorite scenes from Continuum... where he arrives with a fleet around Earth, but then tells everyone not to attack, and proceeds to pull out a flip phone with which to call the President.

His weird plan to only KINDA conquer Earth was then foiled... but it was certainly a plan only Ba'al would have concocted. Hell, it even involved a free Jaffa nation. Dude had spent a LOT of time coming up with that plan... even though it was his last ditch effort.

I've long held the theory that Ba'al was unique amongst the system lords... as I think he and his host weren't really at odds. I think they were both of the same mind on most things... which is why his cloning worked out so well. (And why he never tried to get another host. He cloned his HOSTS, too.)

It's too bad the actor (Cliff Simon) passed away... if we ever get another SG-1 show or movie, it would be interesting to see if that last host that was freed in Continuum was REALLY happy to be freed... or if he would just enact phase 2 of the backup plan and go get another Ba'al symbiote out of a cold storage locker somewhere.

[McAvoy]

Well, you could also phrase that as "the other Gou'ald System Lords behave more or less like Apophis". As far as the TV version of the franchise goes, Apophis came first.

True.

Or behave how Ra did in the movie.

If you watch the series, Ba'al really is the only one that shows anything past the stereotypical Villian trope.

Anubis is only slightly better than the rest with the combination of being half ascended, knowing the rules sort of thing. But when he is burning out his human hosts he is still behaving like the other System Lords.

Maybe you could give him something in that diner scene thing Daniel was in when talking to Anubis.

Yeah Anubis has more going for him compared to let's say Chronos or Apophis. But in the end, he still feels like he is still going through similar motions as other System Lords.

Compared to Ba'al who infiltrated Earth. Made himself into a business man. Was devious. Made clones to make it even more difficult to kill him. Didn't behave at all like a System Lord besides his initial appearance.

That and on a one on one level he behaved a whole lot different than the others.

He also had one of the best ideas for stopping Adria (well, BECOMING Adria. And it didn't work out, but points for trying). And he also respected our heroes... something no other Goa'uld ever came close to.

His arc also led to one of my favorite scenes from Continuum... where he arrives with a fleet around Earth, but then tells everyone not to attack, and proceeds to pull out a flip phone with which to call the President.

His weird plan to only KINDA conquer Earth was then foiled... but it was certainly a plan only Ba'al would have concocted. Hell, it even involved a free Jaffa nation. Dude had spent a LOT of time coming up with that plan... even though it was his last ditch effort.

I've long held the theory that Ba'al was unique amongst the system lords... as I think he and his host weren't really at odds. I think they were both of the same mind on most things... which is why his cloning worked out so well. (And why he never tried to get another host. He cloned his HOSTS, too.)

It's too bad the actor (Cliff Simon) passed away... if we ever get another SG-1 show or movie, it would be interesting to see if that last host that was freed in Continuum was REALLY happy to be freed... or if he would just enact phase 2 of the backup plan and go get another Ba'al symbiote out of a cold storage locker somewhere.

There is a reason why he is fan favorite.

Interesting idea. His host and him being of like mind. It would suggest that the host maybe over time would drive the symbiote a bit crazy. Even if the host was doing it subconsciously. You have to figure that the sybiotes have to actively suppress the hosts who probably will fight them for awhile.

Maybe the host of Ba'al was raised and trained to be a perfect host for Gou'alds.

[CrypticMirror]

My Baal host theory is that since Baal loves cloning, he just cloned a blank slate host. There is no original personality in the clones, it is just Baal. That way he doesn't have to share brainspace, and if anyone forcibly extracts/kills the symbiote then he gets a second bite at the cherry by still being in control of an ordinary human body which he can then use to clone a blank slate Goa'uld and regain all the fancy Goa'uld perks without worrying about being taken over himself. That way Baal always survives and comes back.

[Frustration]

Except when Ba'al was executed, the Tokra treated the body as though it was a victim of the symbiote. If it was a blank template, the only person in it would have been Ba'al - only encoded in a human brain instead of also being a symbiote.

[CrypticMirror]

Maybe the Tokra didn't know that, and Baal was faking? If I was pulling that scam, I'd be faking too.

[BlackoutCreature2]

I always had the theory that Ba'al's host was a nasty piece of work long before Ba'al got hold of him. Since he basically shared the same values and behaviors as your average Goa'uld they wound up having a more organic blending, more similar to what you'd get from the Tok'ra.

[McAvoy]

Ba'al also would be a older God compared to the others too. If I recall correctly he was actually part of the Jewish pantheon before they went monotheistic. Like he would be 5000 years old. Or around 3000 BC.

Or we could just treat Ba'al as a unique case. Who knows the SG-1 version of Ra may have been similar.l

That's the thing within the series that Ra somehow managed to keep it all together for thousands of years until his death.

But at the same time you could argue that maybe the System Lords were more lucid early on with less use of their magic coffin.

[clearspira]

Ba'al also would be a older God compared to the others too. If I recall correctly he was actually part of the Jewish pantheon before they went monotheistic. Like he would be 5000 years old. Or around 3000 BC.

Or we could just treat Ba'al as a unique case. Who knows the SG-1 version of Ra may have been similar.l

That's the thing within the series that Ra somehow managed to keep it all together for thousands of years until his death.

But at the same time you could argue that maybe the System Lords were more lucid early on with less use of their magic coffin.

Yeah, SG-1 Ra cannot be much like Movie Ra, because Movie Ra seemingly had two Death Gliders, about half a dozen Jaffa, a group of children devoted to him (who were hopefully there as spare hosts as the alternative is very squicky indeed), and a pyramid ship that was literally a pyramid. Maybe he does have legions of armies just off-screen, but he really does seem strangely weak for the guy SG-1 established to be the SUPREME System Lord. He is basically the Stargate equivalent of Robert Baratheon and yet you saw Robert's power reflected in every scene.

[Madner Kami]

Ba'al also would be a older God compared to the others too. If I recall correctly he was actually part of the Jewish pantheon before they went monotheistic. Like he would be 5000 years old. Or around 3000 BC.

Or we could just treat Ba'al as a unique case. Who knows the SG-1 version of Ra may have been similar.l

That's the thing within the series that Ra somehow managed to keep it all together for thousands of years until his death.

But at the same time you could argue that maybe the System Lords were more lucid early on with less use of their magic coffin.

The word "Ba'al" in it's most basic sense, can most properly be translated as "Lord" in all it's uses today and it's older than Judaism, unless you refer to "polytheistic judaism" to include the religions of the Phoenicians/Carthaginians and the Levant at large and can be traced even further back into Mesopotamia (the akkadian word "belu").

[McAvoy]

Ba'al also would be a older God compared to the others too. If I recall correctly he was actually part of the Jewish pantheon before they went monotheistic. Like he would be 5000 years old. Or around 3000 BC.

Or we could just treat Ba'al as a unique case. Who knows the SG-1 version of Ra may have been similar.l

That's the thing within the series that Ra somehow managed to keep it all together for thousands of years until his death.

But at the same time you could argue that maybe the System Lords were more lucid early on with less use of their magic coffin.

Yeah, SG-1 Ra cannot be much like Movie Ra, because Movie Ra seemingly had two Death Gliders, about half a dozen Jaffa, a group of children devoted to him (who were hopefully there as spare hosts as the alternative is very squicky indeed), and a pyramid ship that was literally a pyramid. Maybe he does have legions of armies just off-screen, but he really does seem strangely weak for the guy SG-1 established to be the SUPREME System Lord. He is basically the Stargate equivalent of Robert Baratheon and yet you saw Robert's power reflected in every scene.

There is an assumption he just came to the planet with the idea that he wasn't expecting alot from the locals. Not like he was facing another System Lord. Just a bunch of illerate desert people who doesn't seem to even have bow and arrows.

I kinda viewed his ship like a palace ship and not an actual warship of any kind.

Then again I think Moebius two parter he didn't seem to have a big army on Earth either. So who knows.