It's funny after I posted this then my brain said 'what about Alexander?'
More than Worf's brain ever did. How long after the Enterprise D crashed in Generations did it take for Worf to go back and go through the wreckage for Alexander? We saw Data looking for Spot, but we didn't even get that for Alexander... Did Worf have to ask one of the rescue starships to turn around and go back?
We joke but honestly the only time Worf really seems like he doesn't card about Alexander was in DS9 when he randomly shows up on his ship.
I mean I think we can forgive Worf not knowing about him since that information was kept away from him. Or the trouble Alexander had when he was living with his grandparents.
In TNG he was almost a sitcom single Dad not knowing how to deal with his kid on his own.
I gather that in klingon society kurn was obligated to do whatever worf, as the head of the house and his older brother, told him to do. The klingons don't have the same cultural values regarding individual autonomy. That's why kurn had to go to worf to get worf's approval to kill himself.
drewder wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 1:15 pm
I gather that in klingon society kurn was obligated to do whatever worf, as the head of the house and his older brother, told him to do. The klingons don't have the same cultural values regarding individual autonomy. That's why kurn had to go to worf to get worf's approval to kill himself.
That is exactly how it works. Worf is the older brother and hesd of the House. Kurn has to what Worf says. I am sure there are limitations to it. Like the younger doesn't have to if it goes against his honor for example.
I thought this ranked as one of the worst episodes of Trek, period, myself, solely because of the mindwipe.
The destruction of self, of identity via memory erasure is to me a far worse crime than mere murder - it's literal mind-rape, while I won't expand on that heavy topic, I am not being hyperbolic in that statement, I find the concept THAT reprehensible. I found the way Trek treated it as a positive outcome handwaved over to be abhorrent. The practise was monstrous when shown in Babylon 5, but there at least it had the decency to properly show how truly vile the practise was; here, it was just used as basically a magic solution for The Heroes so they didn't have to make the hard choice.
Back in the day, I watched and re-watched quite a lot of Trek, but this was one episode I never wanted to revisit.
Aotrs Commander wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 4:22 pm
I thought this ranked as one of the worst episodes of Trek, period, myself, solely because of the mindwipe.
The destruction of self, of identity via memory erasure is to me a far worse crime than mere murder - it's literal mind-rape, while I won't expand on that heavy topic, I am not being hyperbolic in that statement, I find the concept THAT reprehensible. I found the way Trek treated it as a positive outcome handwaved over to be abhorrent. The practise was monstrous when shown in Babylon 5, but there at least it had the decency to properly show how truly vile the practise was; here, it was just used as basically a magic solution for The Heroes so they didn't have to make the hard choice.
Back in the day, I watched and re-watched quite a lot of Trek, but this was one episode I never wanted to revisit.
I don't think it's mind rape. It's more of mind murder. You are killing the original person in favor of creating a near total new one. Not quite the same as the one in B5. They actually will create a new personality. Worf's brother just basically lost who he is, so he has to put it all back together in a new environment.
Mind rape to me is an assault on the mind. A forceful entrance of the mind. Like what happened to Troi in Nemesis for example.
My problem with the Episode is... There is a Klingon monastery relatively near DS9 'Worf mentions he was planning to visit it back in way of the warrior'
If Kurn really wants to ritual suicide... Take a weekend off Worf, go there and don't try to kill Kurn on the Station. Whats with all these trying to do it behind everybody's back nonsense. You were gonna have to get rid of the body anyway so its not like you were gonna beable to hide it.
Sisko can't bitch about ritualistic suicide as much if its not on Federation property
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I'm sure Worf kept an eye on Kurn, I mean he had a guy who was willing to adopt Kurn into his Clan despite Worf current standing with Gowron and Klingon society as a whole.
Hell What ever happened to Kurn's original Family who adopted him?
"When you rule by fear, your greatest weakness is the one who's no longer afraid."
