You're both right and wrong.Paul Walker wrote:It’s funny you should say that, because if anything I think we’ve seen too little of the war. Yes, almost every episode has linked to it, but it’s been fairly lacking in terms of episode time spent on it. It reminds me of the break down of the peace with the Klingons in series 4 of DS9. It colours a lot of the events, and actions are taken as a result, but we still aren’t seeing huge amounts of the conflict.Morgaine wrote:DS9? Hardly. DS9 never bogged itself this much with arc stories even in the final season, it left some room for a breather here and there.Paul Walker wrote:That's fair. But compared to what Discovery is trying (as a spiritual successor to DS9), Orville does feel like it is taking the safer approach.Steve wrote:While the paraphrasing of Q's speech from "Tapestry" is good, I'm not sure you can say Orville "plays it safe" either, although it is clearly going for more of an episodic nature than arcs.
Discovery apes the arc formula of Battlestar Galactica, Game of Thrones etc without any breakaway from the insipid war arc. Even their version of an anomaly of the week episode just had to be tied down with it.
The Orville is simply more Trek like.
If you tune into any Discovery episode, you will know that the Federation is at was with the Klingons. And that’s as it should be: was is a huge event. DS9 didn’t have the same focus on the conflict because they weren’t at war, they just weren’t friends anymore.
You're right that we see little, but you're wrong in that this very likely isn't intentional.
I put it down to bad writing. We are constantly told about how the Discovery is single-handedly winning the war and never shown other than the initial battle, which was absurd (six Goa'uld Deathglider.. I mean, "Birds of Prey" that die in one shot took out a whole Federation fleet?). Nevermind the fact that no matter how mobile the Discovery is, it's no match for any true warship (it's buzzing bee maneuver is said to be new in episode 10 so it wasn't that).
In one episode the Federation is winning because of Discovery. In the very next episode the Klingons are winning because of their cloaking device.
We are constantly reminded of the war and it shapes every single episode but we're never actually shown anything of significance. It feels like a schoolyard roleplay fight where one kid announces they have the infinity shield and the other says they have the infinity shield +1.
Also, in DS9 we've already gotten to know the characters and setting for a bit before the Klingon and later Dominion war. The viewers have something at stake.
In Discovery, the war starts immediately, and I don't know or care about any of these characters because they insist on pushing this arc above all else, there's no time for characterisation, adventure or, amusingly, discovery.
The most characterisation we've gotten is that Lorca is a psychopath and the writer's nonsense attempts at arc welding Michael to Spock's family.