Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League - So, that was an... ending?

[Winter]

I wasn't excepting much from the last few episodes of this abysmal game but, yikes. So, for those who haven't been keeping up with the game turns out the subtle of was a flat out lie because the Suicide Squad did, in fact, NOT kill the Justice League. Yup most of them are fine, alive and well and going off to save the world... apparently with the help of the people who believed had killed them... This game is bad.

Though I do say mostly as it turns out Wonder Woman is still dead. Yup, she actually died and is the only one not coming back, at least in this game. Yup, they killed off the most popular female superhero of all time and everyone is all smiles at the end.

I would say that this game feels like it was written by Garth Ennis at his worst only that's kind of an insult because even Ennis has more respect for Superheroes then this game does. Yeah, the guy who openly hates Superheroes so much they he's written multiple stories belittling and insulting them has shown more respect for the genre then this game.

Even the people who liked this game admitted that it sucks and got worse as it went on. When even those who rise to your defense are turning against you then you know you screwed up.

I'm just glad it's over and I do hope that everyone who worked on this goes on to make better stories and takes the failings of this game to heart and to do better.

[clearspira]

I applaud them for not doubling down. They clearly recognised that they made crap and retconned it away.

But wow, what a colossal failure. How could anyone think that this game would be well received?

[Winter]

I've mentioned this before but this feels game was made by a focus group in the late 10s. This was around the time when The Boys was made, and the anti-superhero was in full swing and the genre itself was this dark, bleak place where if felt that hope went to die. While at the the New 52 was over and DC Rebirth was just starting up the higher ups at DC still felt that the only way to make the genre successful was to make it as bleak and as gritty as possible, hence why we got Heroes in Crisis.

This game feels like that, like was made by higher ups at DC who wanted to make the game a certain way and looked to things that were popular at the time. Games like Destiny were doing well and making a lot of money, The Boys was a smash hit and the Arkham Series is will loved, so let's make a game that combines all these things so it will have to make us all the money.

I've mentioned this elsewhere too but I have a great deal of respect for the development team on Dragon Age: The Veilguard. They were given an impossible task, take a game that had been in development for a decade that had made no real progress, had started out as a multiplayer, included several characters and finish it in 1 or 2 years now that you're running the show.

DAV is flawed but the fact that it's as good as it is really highlights the talents of the people who worked on it which while not as good as some of BioWare's best games is leaps and bounds better then their worst.

I don't feel the same way for SSKTJL as there is nothing I enjoy in this game. I'm not a fan of the gameplay, I dislike all the characters, the plot is stupid and I can't see this working except as a sick parody that we're not meant to take seriously. DAV is a good game that could have been great, that has solid gameplay, likeable enough characters, interesting areas to explore and trying to work within a more limiting structure in how to tell the story. SSKTJL is a game trying to tell a story no one wanted, with gameplay that went against what fans of the Arkham games love and using micro-transactions which everyone was thoroughly sick of at this point.

This is a game that has no soul and no drive to be anything other then what a bunch of executive producers were told by focus groups was popular half a decade ago and the only thing that I really like about it is that it's over.

[CharlesPhipps]

It's especially problematic because there's a lot to be enjoyed in the premise. The Suicide Squad is a bunch of jobber B-List (at best) supervillains and usually significantly lower. They're not the kind of people who can take on someone like Superman, let alone someone like Brainiac. Setting them up on a, *drum roll* suicide mission to eliminate a corrupted Justice League or Brainiac is something that could have been a source of great drama.

They have to do the Batman thing of trying to figure out weaknesses of the various Justice Leaguers and making it clear that it's the odds stacked against them. However, that's not what this story is about. It's a shooter. Guns. In a game by people famous for their martial arts.

The game is also "Kill the Justice League", which is a bit like Squirrel Girl versus Doctor Doom. Squirrel Girl is a well-liked character and has her niche fandom. However, Doctor Doom is far more famous and well-loved even as an antagonist. No one wants to see Batman, especially not their childhood hero Kevin Conroy Batman, killed. The Suicide Squad killing, say, The Crime Syndicate or Clones is fine. But the real thing? Who would want that?

It also does not MAKE SENSE with the characters as established in the Arkham universe. The revelation it is the Arkham verse is also nonsensical. Harley Quinn was a murderous villain, not an antihero in that franchise. She was loyal to the Joker far after his death. Never had a relationship with Poison Ivy. Deadshot is, well, a white guy in the popular animated movie. If this was an alternate universe, none of that would matter.

The Arkham games thrived because of their shared continuity and good storytelling. Which doesn't have any sign here.

But yes, good that they at least fixed the ending.

[hammerofglass]

The game is also "Kill the Justice League", which is a bit like Squirrel Girl versus Doctor Doom. Squirrel Girl is a well-liked character and has her niche fandom. However, Doctor Doom is far more famous and well-loved even as an antagonist. No one wants to see Batman, especially not their childhood hero Kevin Conroy Batman, killed. The Suicide Squad killing, say, The Crime Syndicate or Clones is fine. But the real thing? Who would want that?

Plus when Squirrel Girl beat Doctor Doom (and Thanos another time) it was a quick gag. They didn't stretch it out as a serious plotline.

[clearspira]

Squirrel Girl evolved into a character like Deadpool or Howard the Duck. You are not meant to take her seriously. Actually, I think that would have made her the prime candidate for a movie. Easy to say with hindsight I guess, but Squirrel Girl and Ms. Marvel (easily one of the only well-received new heroes of the MCU introduced since Endgame) would have been far more interesting than The Marvels.

[CharlesPhipps]

Squirrel Girl evolved into a character like Deadpool or Howard the Duck. You are not meant to take her seriously. Actually, I think that would have made her the prime candidate for a movie. Easy to say with hindsight I guess, but Squirrel Girl and Ms. Marvel (easily one of the only well-received new heroes of the MCU introduced since Endgame) would have been far more interesting than The Marvels.

I think my opinion on THE MARVELS is summarized as, "The Falcon and Winter Soldier and Hawkeye should have been a movie. The Marvels should have been a show."

[Winter]

Squirrel Girl evolved into a character like Deadpool or Howard the Duck. You are not meant to take her seriously. Actually, I think that would have made her the prime candidate for a movie. Easy to say with hindsight I guess, but Squirrel Girl and Ms. Marvel (easily one of the only well-received new heroes of the MCU introduced since Endgame) would have been far more interesting than The Marvels.

I think my opinion on THE MARVELS is summarized as, "The Falcon and Winter Soldier and Hawkeye should have been a movie. The Marvels should have been a show."

Personally I really liked The Marvels and think it works just fine as a movie. It doesn't overstay its welcome, it still has enough time to let the us catch our breath and it gives everyone the right amount of screen time. At most I think it just needed 10 minutes to give the villain more time to develop but that's about it.

[CharlesPhipps]

Personally I really liked The Marvels and think it works just fine as a movie. It doesn't overstay its welcome, it still has enough time to let the us catch our breath and it gives everyone the right amount of screen time. At most I think it just needed 10 minutes to give the villain more time to develop but that's about it.

For me, Monica is primarily developed on WandaVision and Kamala is developed on Ms. Marvel and the people watching just the movies would be confused as hell.

[CmdrKing]

I dunno, speaking as someone who did indeed go straight from Captain Marvel to The Marvels without seeing Ms Marvel or WandaVision first, it made enough sense. Honestly I thought that the part that felt a bit rushed/vague was actually the villain, she felt like a return to (bad) form after a lot of the other villains in the films around the time Marvels came out had finally stepped it up.

I should add however that I've read the first volume... first two volumes? of Ms Marvel's comic, so I was already up to speed on Kamala's deal interpedently of the MCU.

But honestly I really appreciated it as a film because it was a tightly edited film. Despite my comments on the villain being undercooked, the fact this film was briskly paced and clocked in not only under 3 hours, but under 2? By gore it's been a while.