m4a2000 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 03, 2025 8:11 pmNot a perfect answer, but that's what I have. Now what I want to know is how come on Voyager there wasn't enough quarters for everyone to have their own. We see a few times people sharing quarters, but even with Voyager's small size it had more than enough rooms for everyone.
I think Lower Decks suggests another answer to that. If you're trapped in the Delta Quadrant do you really want to be sleeping on corridor bunk beds for potentially 70 years, and so even sharing quarters is going to prefferable to that. They also lost half the Starfleet crew due to the Caretaker so likely they reallocated the officer bedrooms around to allow all of the new combined crew to use them with some doubling up, and so the corridor bunk beds went unused.
What's amusing though is that Neelix did have a spare room for Seven that she pretty much never used which had to annoy some of the crewman and marquis conscripts that had been sharing a room for six years at that point while there was one going spare that they hadn't been allowed to move into for some reason.
Voyager is huge my modern standards. Crew of 150ish. Yes there could be quarters where the likes of Lower Decks officers and enlisted could be shared by two. But again the ship is huge. It's larger than a modern day aircraft carrier.
Starfleet just likes it's luxury I guess. I slept in a bunk that was a 3x6 mattress that was less than six inches thick. In a berthing shared by at least 100 other people. In a room with a footprint less than that of your average 3 bedroom 2 bath, 1 car garage.
Another one arising from the backlog binge. The hirogen mentioned that they were going to do Wolf 359 next, and on thinking about it I really want to know how that would have played out.
I can't see the Hirogen cosplaying as the Borg with the leader as Locutus as being too interesting for them, then they did play nazis who also had overwhelming advantages until the yank forces showed up. Then again the idea of Hirogen dressed up in starfleet uniforms with their leader as Riker, while Janeway or Seven is Locutus would be so dang funny to watch.
stryke wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 9:55 am
Another one arising from the backlog binge. The hirogen mentioned that they were going to do Wolf 359 next, and on thinking about it I really want to know how that would have played out.
I can't see the Hirogen cosplaying as the Borg with the leader as Locutus as being too interesting for them, then they did play nazis who also had overwhelming advantages until the yank forces showed up. Then again the idea of Hirogen dressed up in starfleet uniforms with their leader as Riker, while Janeway or Seven is Locutus would be so dang funny to watch.
They probably would have been really bored with that one, it was strictly a fleet battle.
The Hirogen strike me as the future of the Klingons unless they get their act together. They used to be one of the most advanced races in the galaxy and head of a vast Empire but somehow got so up their own ass about personal honor and glory that they disintegrated into wannabe predators.
stryke wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 9:55 am
Another one arising from the backlog binge. The hirogen mentioned that they were going to do Wolf 359 next, and on thinking about it I really want to know how that would have played out.
I can't see the Hirogen cosplaying as the Borg with the leader as Locutus as being too interesting for them, then they did play nazis who also had overwhelming advantages until the yank forces showed up. Then again the idea of Hirogen dressed up in starfleet uniforms with their leader as Riker, while Janeway or Seven is Locutus would be so dang funny to watch.
They probably would have been really bored with that one, it was strictly a fleet battle.
I mean, I think they were also bored with the whole Nazi Occupation bit too. Like there was that one Hirogen chomping at the bit to get to shooting the French Maquis.
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The Hirogen leader in that episode kind of reminds me of the black Dalek (I forget his name) from the Cult of Skaro - the one who thinks that becoming a guy in a suit with phallic looking tendrils hanging off his face is the future of Dalekkind.
Because he was right, the Daleks at the time as far as he knew, were a dying race and that they needed to find something to do besides the massive racism installed into them by Davros. The problem was... that massive racism installed into them by Davros. The other Daleks simply did not want to be him because he was not Dalek. THAT is what he needed to change, not his body.
And the Hirogen are the same. A dying race that needs to change. But when all of Hirogen society is based on the hunt - their culture, society, even whether or not they attract a woman, then cosplaying as Nazis in occupied France really is not going to cut it with anyone. The Hirogen leader was well meaning but he was tackling the wrong problem.
Ya know... I wonder if Wolf 359 was the Hirogen leaders idea of getting the Hirogen to work together. Unite against a larger foe because they were too weak to defeat them alone. The Hirogen leader was, damning of Voyager writing as I say this, a man of depth. He clearly likes the hunt, but he's not obsessed with it and hates its hold over his people. That it has become their culture is killing them, and the Nazi occupation and Wolf 359 can be his way of making his crew change their minds, and than, change others. Show what we can be as rulers, and than, show what we can be when against a greater foe. Conquerers, and conquered. Reveal how big the universe is for them.
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clearspira wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 7:49 pm
The Hirogen leader in that episode kind of reminds me of the black Dalek (I forget his name) from the Cult of Skaro - the one who thinks that becoming a guy in a suit with phallic looking tendrils hanging off his face is the future of Dalekkind.
Because he was right, the Daleks at the time as far as he knew, were a dying race and that they needed to find something to do besides the massive racism installed into them by Davros. The problem was... that massive racism installed into them by Davros. The other Daleks simply did not want to be him because he was not Dalek. THAT is what he needed to change, not his body.
And the Hirogen are the same. A dying race that needs to change. But when all of Hirogen society is based on the hunt - their culture, society, even whether or not they attract a woman, then cosplaying as Nazis in occupied France really is not going to cut it with anyone. The Hirogen leader was well meaning but he was tackling the wrong problem.
To be fair, babysteps. Replacing mass murder with video games is likely to benefit at least demographic decline.
So... TOS Enterprise and Movie Enterprise. Scale wise they are supposed to be about the same length of a supercarrier. Which is fine except:
If you measure the thickness of both versions of the Enterprise (above the torpedo bay in the movie version) if actually has the thickness of a large automobile.
Take in the thickness of the hull itself plus interior support, you don't get much. In fact that whole area shouldn't even have windows. It would be like a series of decks of storage spaces honestly.
The warp pylons are even worse, but at the same time makes sense. They are much thinner than the neck. Probably only thin enough for the hull, skeleton and then whatever feeds the nscelles and nothing else. Which is fine.
Until an enemy targets them. Especially when we know even with shields up their energy bleed through.
I know it's an old argument. It's just one of those things we have to ignore. Even with the larger sizes of later TOS era Enterprise like the Kelvin Enterprise or the Disco Enterprise (which is smaller than Kelvin but larger than Gene Enterprise), we have to ignore these things. All because of the original Enterprise from the 60's.
