CharlesPhipps wrote:The Lord of the Rings was meant to be the past of Earth. The 2000 year ago war was meant to basically be the Lord of the Rings.
Well, it was an analogous event which the audience is presumed to understand because it is sufficiently generic.
Very true.
Some details are different but I think the fact the orcs AREN'T pure evil (ala World of Warcraft) is an improvement. It also highlights the ridiculousness of the racism against him.
FaxModem1 wrote:Instead, history is the same because.....who cares, it just is.
Yes.
It just is.
That's how fiction works. The person who writes it gets to say what the setting is, and the audience doesn't.
Originally I was going to say essentially what Antiboyscout said. Instead I'm going to elaborate.
The writer also decides on the plot, the characters, every aspect of the work. That doesn't mean any of those choices are impervious to criticism.
Like maybe what you're trying to say is we shouldn't turn our own ideas into expectations to put on the work, and that's true.
But I'm not coming in with this set expectation of "Oh I expect that in such a world the orcs are mellow vegans who've been shat on entirely unjustly for thousands of years" and being mad that someone did something different. I didn't have anything that specific in mind, the examples I've offered throughout the thread are just that. Examples. I'm disappointed because in my opinion nothing interesting was done with it at all.
FakeGeekGirl wrote:Originally I was going to say essentially what Antiboyscout said. Instead I'm going to elaborate.
The writer also decides on the plot, the characters, every aspect of the work. That doesn't mean any of those choices are impervious to criticism.
Like maybe what you're trying to say is we shouldn't turn our own ideas into expectations to put on the work, and that's true.
But I'm not coming in with this set expectation of "Oh I expect that in such a world the orcs are mellow vegans who've been shat on entirely unjustly for thousands of years" and being mad that someone did something different. I didn't have anything that specific in mind, the examples I've offered throughout the thread are just that. Examples. I'm disappointed because in my opinion nothing interesting was done with it at all.
There's actually a genre called "In Spite of a Nail" among time travel and alternate history fiction which is equivalent to "For Want of a Nail." There's basically the view that the Opposite of the Butterfly Effect which that history and society mostly will proceed unchanged despite individual changes and possibly even large changes.
But that's actually not the story it's trying to tell. Bright isn't actually like Back to the Future, it's more like Animal Farm.
The metaphor is what's important versus the literalism.
I agree with the idea they didn't do as much interesting as they could have done but that's due to the format I think.
So, jumping into this...I found this pretty entertaining but what I don't like is lack of world building. The movie presented so much potential lore and doesn't go into it, either they lacked the budget or creative writing to focus on the Orc Cop thing. I'm going with the whole not enough in the budget to even have a text narration in the beginning.
There's a few other nitpicks like the fact the Shrek exists in this universe. Technically they never mention ogres, but wouldn't that movie be seen as a racist thing like watching too many gangbanger movies of the 90s? How do fantasy movies like that and Lord of the Rings work in a universe that's established all of this?
Also police centaurs....I wanted them to explore these guys. Awesome inclusion.
Another gripe with this is because, Bright is essentially like the 6th movies the director David Ayer has done on any level that involves cops in LA or even an LA setting...It's actually getting old
"Adapt, Overcome & Improvise"
"There's a fine line between not listening and not caring...I like to think I walk that line everyday of my life."
excalibur wrote:So, jumping into this...I found this pretty entertaining but what I don't like is lack of world building. The movie presented so much potential lore and doesn't go into it, either they lacked the budget or creative writing to focus on the Orc Cop thing. I'm going with the whole not enough in the budget to even have a text narration in the beginning.
It's nothing to do with budget or creative writing. It's everything to do with time and pace.
A movie has enough time for worldbuilding that is directly related to understanding the stakes of the current drama and no more. Anything unrelated to the current drama will damage the pace of that drama by being included, and so will make the movie worse at being a movie.
The only thing that needed better explanation was why Noomi Rapace thought bringing the Dark Lord back was a winning idea and why Lucy Fry came to disagree.
excalibur wrote:So, jumping into this...I found this pretty entertaining but what I don't like is lack of world building. The movie presented so much potential lore and doesn't go into it, either they lacked the budget or creative writing to focus on the Orc Cop thing. I'm going with the whole not enough in the budget to even have a text narration in the beginning.
It's nothing to do with budget or creative writing. It's everything to do with time and pace.
A movie has enough time for worldbuilding that is directly related to understanding the stakes of the current drama and no more. Anything unrelated to the current drama will damage the pace of that drama by being included, and so will make the movie worse at being a movie.
The only thing that needed better explanation was why Noomi Rapace thought bringing the Dark Lord back was a winning idea and why Lucy Fry came to disagree.
This is basically paced like a television pilot with the actual plot being less important than the set up for the franchise. As for the Inferni, I get the impression they really are an ancient Illuminati-esque sect and I'm not sure Noomi's character isn't actually a direct disciple of the Dark Lord and 2000 years old.
