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Worffan101 wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:07 pm
Robovski wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:39 pm Sara's tweets make her seem like a toxic, bitter person who if not racist seems like such. A perfect fit for the NY Times and journalism in general in other words.
That is a lot of needless hatred of the press. Reporters are just doing their jobs by reporting the truth, it's not their fault that the President is corrupt and his administration run by racists and Isaac "Screw it I'm rich" Perlmutter.
They also exclude exciting candidates despite polls showing people want 3d party guys in presidential debates, shrunk the Overton window to the point of misery, impose political corrctness on the American population despite even most POC's not being in favor of it, sided with the bankers during the most recent financial crisis, probably caused social damage with fear mongering about astranger danger going after kids, politicized sports long after the civil rights struggle was resolved, try to shame certain type of art out of existence, failed to check war mongers, create and inflame the racial tensions...

President is corrupt and his administration run by racists and Isaac "Screw it I'm rich" Perlmutter.

What do they have in common with Mussolini and the Klan?
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bronnt wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:30 pm
Worffan101 wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:07 pm That is a lot of needless hatred of the press. Reporters are just doing their jobs by reporting the truth, it's not their fault that the President is corrupt and his administration run by racists and Isaac "Screw it I'm rich" Perlmutter.
The President may be corrupt, and I disagree with him on a great number of issues. I see no real evidence that he's any more corrupt than any of the last dozen US Presidents. I do see whalish narcissism (actually par for the course but he hides it much worse than others) and some general incompetence.

The major problem is the huge growth in the in power of the executive branch over the past two decades. Congress seems to keep ceding its responsibilities (budgets/spending, war powers, major matters of policy such as drug and immigration law) to the White House, and has been doing so at an alarming pace.
His campaign manager was paying for millions of dollars in designer clothes with Russian wire transfers. His minions with official White House jobs openly promote his business interests (ranging from Ivanka trying to hock her clothing lines to Kellyanne Conway shilling for Trump's crap).

He certainly seems more corrupt than the last two, though he could just be really stupid and not very good at hiding it, there's evidence to support that. Either way, it doesn't change the fact that ranting about the press is a VERY bad thing, especially when there's so much "alternative media" like Breitbart and Daily Kos spouting nonstop propaganda and outright lies (Breitbart for the Nazis and Daily Kos for the left). It's simply unacceptable to equate the NYT and other serious news outlets with fucking Breitbart.
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Worffan101 wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:38 pm
bronnt wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:30 pm
Worffan101 wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:07 pm That is a lot of needless hatred of the press. Reporters are just doing their jobs by reporting the truth, it's not their fault that the President is corrupt and his administration run by racists and Isaac "Screw it I'm rich" Perlmutter.
The President may be corrupt, and I disagree with him on a great number of issues. I see no real evidence that he's any more corrupt than any of the last dozen US Presidents. I do see whalish narcissism (actually par for the course but he hides it much worse than others) and some general incompetence.

The major problem is the huge growth in the in power of the executive branch over the past two decades. Congress seems to keep ceding its responsibilities (budgets/spending, war powers, major matters of policy such as drug and immigration law) to the White House, and has been doing so at an alarming pace.
His campaign manager was paying for millions of dollars in designer clothes with Russian wire transfers. His minions with official White House jobs openly promote his business interests (ranging from Ivanka trying to hock her clothing lines to Kellyanne Conway shilling for Trump's crap).

He certainly seems more corrupt than the last two, though he could just be really stupid and not very good at hiding it, there's evidence to support that. Either way, it doesn't change the fact that ranting about the press is a VERY bad thing, especially when there's so much "alternative media" like Breitbart and Daily Kos spouting nonstop propaganda and outright lies (Breitbart for the Nazis and Daily Kos for the left). It's simply unacceptable to equate the NYT and other serious news outlets with fucking Breitbart.
What is the worse that coudl happen? The US has strong checks and balances.
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Slash Gallagher wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:46 pm
Worffan101 wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:07 pm
Robovski wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:39 pm Sara's tweets make her seem like a toxic, bitter person who if not racist seems like such. A perfect fit for the NY Times and journalism in general in other words.
That is a lot of needless hatred of the press. Reporters are just doing their jobs by reporting the truth, it's not their fault that the President is corrupt and his administration run by racists and Isaac "Screw it I'm rich" Perlmutter.
They also exclude exciting candidates despite polls showing people want 3d party guys in presidential debates, shrunk the Overton window to the point of misery, impose political corrctness on the American population despite even most POC's not being in favor of it, sided with the bankers during the most recent financial crisis, probably caused social damage with fear mongering about astranger danger going after kids, politicized sports long after the civil rights struggle was resolved, try to shame certain type of art out of existence, failed to check war mongers, create and inflame the racial tensions...

President is corrupt and his administration run by racists and Isaac "Screw it I'm rich" Perlmutter.

What do they have in common with Mussolini and the Klan?
Again try and provide some fucking evidence.
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Worffan101 wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:38 pm His campaign manager was paying for millions of dollars in designer clothes with Russian wire transfers. His minions with official White House jobs openly promote his business interests (ranging from Ivanka trying to hock her clothing lines to Kellyanne Conway shilling for Trump's crap).

He certainly seems more corrupt than the last two, though he could just be really stupid and not very good at hiding it, there's evidence to support that. Either way, it doesn't change the fact that ranting about the press is a VERY bad thing, especially when there's so much "alternative media" like Breitbart and Daily Kos spouting nonstop propaganda and outright lies (Breitbart for the Nazis and Daily Kos for the left). It's simply unacceptable to equate the NYT and other serious news outlets with fucking Breitbart.
You need to stop letting news sources tell you that Trump is anything new. He's really not. They dislike him a lot more because he's rather crass and confrontational and doesn't like major news outlets. I see you've bought into the idea that Ivanka is somehow using her position to advertise her clothing when all she's doing is wearing clothing she already owns. That's not a conflict of interest.

I think he's highly unqualified for the position he holds, but that doesn't make him evil or a nazi. He dislikes CNN but CNN dislikes him just as much and are happy to latch onto any story that indicates something negative about him. Unfortunately, their eagerness to believe anything about him as long as it's negative, and then to report it without proper vetting, has actually hurt the media much. Trumps approval ratings aren't very good, but the polls by the same outlets show that the media is just as unpopular.

That story about Trump's Campaign manager committing potential tax evasion? (not yet convicted, only accused, and there's no Russian connection) Again, I can't think of a President who wasn't connected to someone who was doing something fishy with their taxes. This shit is old and tired.
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bronnt wrote: Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:11 am
Worffan101 wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:38 pm His campaign manager was paying for millions of dollars in designer clothes with Russian wire transfers. His minions with official White House jobs openly promote his business interests (ranging from Ivanka trying to hock her clothing lines to Kellyanne Conway shilling for Trump's crap).

He certainly seems more corrupt than the last two, though he could just be really stupid and not very good at hiding it, there's evidence to support that. Either way, it doesn't change the fact that ranting about the press is a VERY bad thing, especially when there's so much "alternative media" like Breitbart and Daily Kos spouting nonstop propaganda and outright lies (Breitbart for the Nazis and Daily Kos for the left). It's simply unacceptable to equate the NYT and other serious news outlets with fucking Breitbart.
You need to stop letting news sources tell you that Trump is anything new. He's really not. They dislike him a lot more because he's rather crass and confrontational and doesn't like major news outlets. I see you've bought into the idea that Ivanka is somehow using her position to advertise her clothing when all she's doing is wearing clothing she already owns. That's not a conflict of interest.

I think he's highly unqualified for the position he holds, but that doesn't make him evil or a nazi. He dislikes CNN but CNN dislikes him just as much and are happy to latch onto any story that indicates something negative about him. Unfortunately, their eagerness to believe anything about him as long as it's negative, and then to report it without proper vetting, has actually hurt the media much. Trumps approval ratings aren't very good, but the polls by the same outlets show that the media is just as unpopular.

That story about Trump's Campaign manager committing potential tax evasion? (not yet convicted, only accused, and there's no Russian connection) Again, I can't think of a President who wasn't connected to someone who was doing something fishy with their taxes. This shit is old and tired.
Oh please. He wouldn't even put his business interests into a blind trust! He said that Nazis were "very fine people"--actual Hitler-hailing swastika-waving Nazis who murdered a woman by ramming a car into a crowd! That is ABSOLUTELY new. He's crass, confrontational, and he loves media outlets that fellate him (like Fox and Breitbart), and if you tell me Fox isn't a major news outlet I've got a bridge to sell you.

He's a petty, cruel imbecile who has one of the biggest inferiority complexes in the world and is motivated by a craven, base need to be constantly told by an ever-increasing swarm of new people that he is the best and the most special boy on the planet--hence why he keeps doing random evil things because somebody sucked up to him. He loudly declared that he'd love it if a foreign power tried to swing the election in his favor, he promotes Nazi conspiracy theories, and he's a racist, sexist idiot on top of that.

He handed the DPRK and unprecedented propaganda victory, failed to do anything about actual, murderous Nazis, and put a KKK-linked creep in charge of the Department of Justice. The only halfway decent thing Trump's ever done is put Mattis in charge of Defense, and that's only because Mattis has the balls and the brains to play that immature thug like a harp.

He is absolutely the worst President we've had in at least a century, even the right-wing Cold Warrior who I'm acquaintances with thinks so, and every time we talk that fellow inevitably calls me naive for not thinking that Ronald Reagan's economic policies were the best ever.
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Worffan101 wrote: Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:07 am Oh please. He wouldn't even put his business interests into a blind trust! He said that Nazis were "very fine people"--actual Hitler-hailing swastika-waving Nazis who murdered a woman by ramming a car into a crowd! That is ABSOLUTELY new. He's crass, confrontational, and he loves media outlets that fellate him (like Fox and Breitbart), and if you tell me Fox isn't a major news outlet I've got a bridge to sell you.
I believe that's inaccurate. He never called out Nazis as "very fine people," he just said there were "very fine people" on both sides. The people protesting the removal of the statues were not all Nazis, or even all white supremacists.
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unknownsample wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:19 pm
Slash Gallagher wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:46 pm
Worffan101 wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:07 pm
Robovski wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:39 pm Sara's tweets make her seem like a toxic, bitter person who if not racist seems like such. A perfect fit for the NY Times and journalism in general in other words.
That is a lot of needless hatred of the press. Reporters are just doing their jobs by reporting the truth, it's not their fault that the President is corrupt and his administration run by racists and Isaac "Screw it I'm rich" Perlmutter.
They also exclude exciting candidates despite polls showing people want 3d party guys in presidential debates, shrunk the Overton window to the point of misery, impose political corrctness on the American population despite even most POC's not being in favor of it, sided with the bankers during the most recent financial crisis, probably caused social damage with fear mongering about astranger danger going after kids, politicized sports long after the civil rights struggle was resolved, try to shame certain type of art out of existence, failed to check war mongers, create and inflame the racial tensions...

President is corrupt and his administration run by racists and Isaac "Screw it I'm rich" Perlmutter.

What do they have in common with Mussolini and the Klan?
Again try and provide some fucking evidence.
I am not the one claiming fascists and racists took over one of the most open societies on Earth.
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Darth Wedgius wrote: Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:00 am
Worffan101 wrote: Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:07 am Oh please. He wouldn't even put his business interests into a blind trust! He said that Nazis were "very fine people"--actual Hitler-hailing swastika-waving Nazis who murdered a woman by ramming a car into a crowd! That is ABSOLUTELY new. He's crass, confrontational, and he loves media outlets that fellate him (like Fox and Breitbart), and if you tell me Fox isn't a major news outlet I've got a bridge to sell you.
I believe that's inaccurate. He never called out Nazis as "very fine people," he just said there were "very fine people" on both sides. The people protesting the removal of the statues were not all Nazis, or even all white supremacists.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... es/537012/

President Trump defended the white nationalists who protested in Charlottesville on Tuesday, saying they included “some very fine people,” while expressing sympathy for their demonstration against the removal of a statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee. It was a strikingly different message from the prepared statement he had delivered on Monday, and a reversion to his initial response over the weekend.

Speaking in the lobby of Trump Tower at what had been billed as a statement on infrastructure, a combative Trump defended his slowness to condemn white nationalists and neo-Nazis after the melee in central Virginia, which ended in the death of one woman and injuries to dozens of others, and compared the tearing down of Confederate monuments to the hypothetical removal of monuments to the Founding Fathers. He also said that counter-protesters deserve an equal amount of blame for the violence.

“What about the alt-left that came charging at, as you say, at the alt-right?” Trump said. “Do they have any semblance of guilt?”

“I’ve condemned neo-Nazis. I’ve condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me,” he said.
I wonder who the very fine people protesting against the removal of the statue were was it the ones shouting blood and soil the ones that turned up with guns or the one who rammed a car into a crowd full of protesters?
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Slash Gallagher wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:13 pm
Worffan101 wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:38 pm
bronnt wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:30 pm
Worffan101 wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:07 pm That is a lot of needless hatred of the press. Reporters are just doing their jobs by reporting the truth, it's not their fault that the President is corrupt and his administration run by racists and Isaac "Screw it I'm rich" Perlmutter.
The President may be corrupt, and I disagree with him on a great number of issues. I see no real evidence that he's any more corrupt than any of the last dozen US Presidents. I do see whalish narcissism (actually par for the course but he hides it much worse than others) and some general incompetence.

The major problem is the huge growth in the in power of the executive branch over the past two decades. Congress seems to keep ceding its responsibilities (budgets/spending, war powers, major matters of policy such as drug and immigration law) to the White House, and has been doing so at an alarming pace.
His campaign manager was paying for millions of dollars in designer clothes with Russian wire transfers. His minions with official White House jobs openly promote his business interests (ranging from Ivanka trying to hock her clothing lines to Kellyanne Conway shilling for Trump's crap).

He certainly seems more corrupt than the last two, though he could just be really stupid and not very good at hiding it, there's evidence to support that. Either way, it doesn't change the fact that ranting about the press is a VERY bad thing, especially when there's so much "alternative media" like Breitbart and Daily Kos spouting nonstop propaganda and outright lies (Breitbart for the Nazis and Daily Kos for the left). It's simply unacceptable to equate the NYT and other serious news outlets with fucking Breitbart.
What is the worse that coudl happen? The US has strong checks and balances.
1. Those checks and balances were all built on the assumption that one political party wouldn't try to destroy them simply for the sake of gaining short term power. (Although I can't tell if this is sarcasm).

If you do want a Worst Case Scenario, though, well that would be nuclear armageddon. But a close contender would be this https://www.amazon.com/Cant-Happen-Here ... 0451465644
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