Sarah Jeong and The NY Times

[Darth Wedgius]

Would you have an easier time if I said "white nationalists" instead of "Nazis"?

No, because not everyone on the don't-remove-the-statues side was a white nationalist, either.

I just feel that your standards for the burden of evidence are unreasonably steep.
And there weren't very fine people on both sides. There were people celebrating a traitor who lost a war that they still haven't gotten over, and there were the people who weren't.

And you are welcome to your opinions, but I see no reason to consider them important. If you can come up with a standard that applies evenly to both sides, you will have made some progress, IMO.

To be absolutely clear and sure that I understand you, are you saying that you think the group of protesters, the ones with the torches and stuff, were not all white nationalists?

The torch-carriers I don't know about. But my understanding is that not everyone there to protest removal of the Confederate statues was a white nationalist.

On the night. Of the protest. The people protesting at that event, on that night. Not "everyone who has ever protested a statue removal", but that statue, that time, and that place.

The protesters in the march on the night of the "Unite the Right" protest, I don't know about. However, the "Unite the Right" side of that protest did not just take part that night, and there were people who were not white supremacists in the overall event.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Would you have an easier time if I said "white nationalists" instead of "Nazis"?

No, because not everyone on the don't-remove-the-statues side was a white nationalist, either.

I just feel that your standards for the burden of evidence are unreasonably steep.
And there weren't very fine people on both sides. There were people celebrating a traitor who lost a war that they still haven't gotten over, and there were the people who weren't.

And you are welcome to your opinions, but I see no reason to consider them important. If you can come up with a standard that applies evenly to both sides, you will have made some progress, IMO.

To be absolutely clear and sure that I understand you, are you saying that you think the group of protesters, the ones with the torches and stuff, were not all white nationalists?

The torch-carriers I don't know about. But my understanding is that not everyone there to protest removal of the Confederate statues was a white nationalist.

On the night. Of the protest. The people protesting at that event, on that night. Not "everyone who has ever protested a statue removal", but that statue, that time, and that place.

The protesters in the march on the night of the "Unite the Right" protest, I don't know about. However, the "Unite the Right" side of that protest did not just take part that night, and there were people who were not white supremacists in the overall event.

Name three.

[Darth Wedgius]

Would you have an easier time if I said "white nationalists" instead of "Nazis"?

No, because not everyone on the don't-remove-the-statues side was a white nationalist, either.

I just feel that your standards for the burden of evidence are unreasonably steep.
And there weren't very fine people on both sides. There were people celebrating a traitor who lost a war that they still haven't gotten over, and there were the people who weren't.

And you are welcome to your opinions, but I see no reason to consider them important. If you can come up with a standard that applies evenly to both sides, you will have made some progress, IMO.

To be absolutely clear and sure that I understand you, are you saying that you think the group of protesters, the ones with the torches and stuff, were not all white nationalists?

The torch-carriers I don't know about. But my understanding is that not everyone there to protest removal of the Confederate statues was a white nationalist.

On the night. Of the protest. The people protesting at that event, on that night. Not "everyone who has ever protested a statue removal", but that statue, that time, and that place.

The protesters in the march on the night of the "Unite the Right" protest, I don't know about. However, the "Unite the Right" side of that protest did not just take part that night, and there were people who were not white supremacists in the overall event.

Name three.

Groups or individuals? I can only name groups. The New York Light Foot Militia, the Oath Keepers, and the 3 Percenters. Some of them have had statements sharing those held by white supremacists, but I think that's guilt by association.

Presumably those groups were made of individuals. [citation needed]

Contrary to what I earlier thought, the Proud Boys didn't attend (because a lot of the people were white supremacists or white nationalists).

[TGLS]

Honestly, a cursory look at the goals of the organizers (namely protesting the statue coming down and unifying the White Nationalist movement), indicates that anyone see what would happen if they attended the rally. Apparently the 3 percenters know that it makes them look bad because they told their members not to attend rallies with white nationalists or Nazis anymore. Sure, it's painting with a broad brush, but you can pick who you are associating with, and we're not tossing them all in prison for attending a rally or anything.

[unknownsample]

That's not what aboutism, that's pointing out the flaw in your "logic." Your response was that if people didn't object to the Nazis, they were Nazis. That's not accurate. Not objecting to a group does not mean you are part of that group.

Also, Trump didn't call Nazis "very fine people." Trump said there were "very fine people" on both sides, and not everyone on the right side was a Nazi, Neo or otherwise. Not everyone was white supremacist or a white identitarian.

Read what I wrote to unknownsample about cars for more information on logic and sets. I thought it was very good.

It might be nice if you could provide some actual evidence that not everyone on the unite the right was a Nazi. That there were fine people on this march to protest the removal of a statue of a man who fought to protect slavery or and here's a interesting thought Trump was talking shite

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

I know it's gosh to use wikipedia as a source, but
"The Unite the Right rally, also known as the Charlottesville rally or Charlottesville riots,[4] was a white supremacist[5][6][7][8] rally that occurred in Charlottesville, Virginia, from August 11 to 12, 2017."

You attend a White Supremacist rally, you are a white supremacist.

[Antiboyscout]

[Darth Wedgius]

That's not what aboutism, that's pointing out the flaw in your "logic." Your response was that if people didn't object to the Nazis, they were Nazis. That's not accurate. Not objecting to a group does not mean you are part of that group.

Also, Trump didn't call Nazis "very fine people." Trump said there were "very fine people" on both sides, and not everyone on the right side was a Nazi, Neo or otherwise. Not everyone was white supremacist or a white identitarian.

Read what I wrote to unknownsample about cars for more information on logic and sets. I thought it was very good.

It might be nice if you could provide some actual evidence that not everyone on the unite the right was a Nazi. That there were fine people on this march to protest the removal of a statue of a man who fought to protect slavery or and here's a interesting thought Trump was talking shite

What kind of evidence would you accept? Wikipedia lists several groups attending that do not identify themselves with national socialism.

[Darth Wedgius]

I know it's gosh to use wikipedia as a source, but
"The Unite the Right rally, also known as the Charlottesville rally or Charlottesville riots,[4] was a white supremacist[5][6][7][8] rally that occurred in Charlottesville, Virginia, from August 11 to 12, 2017."

You attend a White Supremacist rally, you are a white supremacist.

I think you were looking for "gauche" vs. "gosh." And your logic... isn't. Garages are a place for cars. If you move into a garage, you are not a car (unless you're from Cybertron).

[Karha of Honor]

I know it's gosh to use wikipedia as a source, but
"The Unite the Right rally, also known as the Charlottesville rally or Charlottesville riots,[4] was a white supremacist[5][6][7][8] rally that occurred in Charlottesville, Virginia, from August 11 to 12, 2017."

You attend a White Supremacist rally, you are a white supremacist.

Were there even more Tiki torch people there than Oath keepers?