Sarah Jeong and The NY Times

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Admiral X wrote: Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:48 am
unknownsample wrote: Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:06 pm It might be nice if you could provide some actual evidence that not everyone on the unite the right was a Nazi. That there were fine people on this march to protest the removal of a statue of a man who fought to protect slavery or and here's a interesting thought Trump was talking shite
This is like claiming you saw a pink dragon, then telling anyone who says they don't believe you that they have to prove you didn't. If you are making the claim, you must provide the evidence.
No Admiral, Wedgius was the one claiming that not everyone involved in the Unite the Right March was a Nazi he has refused to produce any evidence to back this claim up.
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unknownsample wrote: Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:50 pm
Admiral X wrote: Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:48 am
unknownsample wrote: Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:06 pm It might be nice if you could provide some actual evidence that not everyone on the unite the right was a Nazi. That there were fine people on this march to protest the removal of a statue of a man who fought to protect slavery or and here's a interesting thought Trump was talking shite
This is like claiming you saw a pink dragon, then telling anyone who says they don't believe you that they have to prove you didn't. If you are making the claim, you must provide the evidence.
No Admiral, Wedgius was the one claiming that not everyone involved in the Unite the Right March was a Nazi he has refused to produce any evidence to back this claim up.
It's Darth Wedgius. I didn't work my way through the Sith mail room and into HR billing just to be called Wedgius.

Actually, you did claim that Trump called Nazis "some very fine people." But ignoring that, Wikipedia says that some groups who are aligned with national socialism were there to protect people's rights to free speech.

You are free to accept that or not.
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Oh BTW Wedgius Where these the likes of the Oathkeepers when DeAndre Harris was getting the shit kicked out of him or when Heather Heyer was run over?
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unknownsample wrote: Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:07 pm Oh BTW Wedgius Where these the likes of the Oathkeepers when DeAndre Harris was getting the shit kicked out of him or when Heather Heyer was run over?
Is that rhetorical? I can't always tell.

If the answer to the above was "No" (i.e., that it was not a rhetorical question), are you implying that because Antifa members were attacked, the Oath Keepers were not trying to protect free speech?

Just trying to be efficient!
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Darth Wedgius wrote: Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:41 pm
unknownsample wrote: Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:07 pm Oh BTW Wedgius Where these the likes of the Oathkeepers when DeAndre Harris was getting the shit kicked out of him or when Heather Heyer was run over?
Is that rhetorical? I can't always tell.

If the answer to the above was "No" (i.e., that it was not a rhetorical question), are you implying that because Antifa members were attacked, the Oath Keepers were not trying to protect free speech?

Just trying to be efficient!
Question why were they needed?

Second point

The Oathkeepers themselves are highly dubious

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... th-keepers
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So is Southern Poverty Law Center.
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Admiral X wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:37 am So is Southern Poverty Law Center.
The SPLC provides multiple pages of detailed, balanced analysis of the OathKeepers and their rhetoric, including multiple quotes (sourced, too) from OathKeepers members and spokesmen, and the positive things that they could find the OathKeepers saying and doing.

I wouldn't call that "dubious". I would call that due diligence.
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The Oathkeepers are not my concern, but SPLC is not any more "balanced" than FOX News.
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Admiral X wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 6:30 am The Oathkeepers are not my concern, but SPLC is not any more "balanced" than FOX News.
That's flatly not true. Reading the content of the SPLC's reports, they always take a fair look at every group they look at, including pluses and minuses (usually the latter outweighs the former, since most of who they look at are homophobic hate groups and KKK types), and offer some sourced quotes to get the assholes in their own words.

Meanwhile Fox News spreads outright propaganda using classic leading-question techniques and lets corrupt scum like Sean Hannity preach their conspiracy theories in prime time. But hey, at least they give Tucker Carlson the show he's always wanted, I bet the poor little boy was like a kid on Christmas when he got to replace O'Reilly. So...plus side, I guess?
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unknownsample wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:10 am
Darth Wedgius wrote: Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:41 pm
unknownsample wrote: Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:07 pm Oh BTW Wedgius Where these the likes of the Oathkeepers when DeAndre Harris was getting the shit kicked out of him or when Heather Heyer was run over?
Is that rhetorical? I can't always tell.

If the answer to the above was "No" (i.e., that it was not a rhetorical question), are you implying that because Antifa members were attacked, the Oath Keepers were not trying to protect free speech?

Just trying to be efficient!
Question why were they needed?

Second point

The Oathkeepers themselves are highly dubious

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... th-keepers
You don't seem to have any desire to answer my questions, sample. I can't imagine why, of course.

Why were they needed? Maybe because Antifa has a habit of assaulting people with different political opinions? That's just a guess.

The Oathkeepers may be conspiracy nuts, but did you see "National Socialist" in there? Did you see "white supremacist" in there? Your original comment was:
He said that Nazis were "very fine people"
That's where I corrected you. Saying that the Oathkeepers are conspiracy nuts doesn't change that.

Logic, sample. It's not just for breakfast any more.
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