Areas where you'd respectfully disagree with Chuck

[Dragon Ball Fan]

the idea is that back then NO ONE could do that alone.

And that is provably wrong, thus the basis for that "theory" is null and void. Besides, stating that none of our ancestors could've done it, is just a mild covering of "not ingenious enough", which is outright laughable if you have a look at what humans pull off on a daily basis. Just have a look at some DIY videos. We are doing outlandish stuff that blows the mind now. What makes you think we didn't do that in the past already? Just because you couldn't think of a viable method, it doesn't mean our ancestors couldn't either. Besides, our perspective onto many things is heavily skewed by our upringing. We are used to machines that do a lot of our work for us, thus we naturally assume that many things are hard to impossible to do without those machines. But just because it's outside of our perspective, doesn't mean that it was outside the perspective of our forefathers and -mothers.

and wile it could still be a possibility if we ever meet aliens in real life but I'm not sure if I agree with what Chuck said in his companion video to "First Contact(episode)". why would aliens travel millions of light years just to kill us? wouldn't they be beyond any form of violence?

High technology doesn't make you magically immune to violence. In fact, the very reason for why a race might rise to the apex in any given environment, is a certain level of agression or agressive expansion. Just have a look into any natural habitat on this planet. It ain't the docile herbivores eating leaves all day that dominate their habitat. It's the wolves, the wasps and the sharks.

for the first part. I'm not sure it's just us being used to machines, we still don't know for sure how structures like the Egyptian Pyramids or Stonehenge were made.

second. I'm still not sure. again, why would aliens come all the way to Earth from the other side of the galaxy just to kill us?

[Madner Kami]

for the first part. I'm not sure it's just us being used to machines, we still don't know for sure how structures like the Egyptian Pyramids or Stonehenge were made.

We actually do, in both cases.

second. I'm still not sure. again, why would aliens come all the way to Earth from the other side of the galaxy just to kill us?

To get rid of us. Either because they percieve us as a danger to them or because we are in their way in regards to habitable area. Or simply because they do not even recognize us and simply happen to be where they want to build an intergalactic highway. Many ant hills were vanquished for less.

[Dragon Ball Fan]

for the first part. I'm not sure it's just us being used to machines, we still don't know for sure how structures like the Egyptian Pyramids or Stonehenge were made.

We actually do, in both cases.

second. I'm still not sure. again, why would aliens come all the way to Earth from the other side of the galaxy just to kill us?

To get rid of us. Either because they percieve us as a danger to them or because we are in their way in regards to habitable area. Or simply because they do not even recognize us and simply happen to be where they want to build an intergalactic highway. Many ant hills were vanquished for less.

we still aren't absolutely certain how those structures were built or what they were used for.

and again, why would one assume alien life MUST be hostile?

[SuccubusYuri]

and again, why would one assume alien life MUST be hostile?

Actually the specific is, one MUST assume alien life is hostile. It's slightly different. Like, when a public forum takes precautions against weapons. You aren't assuming bad intentions because it's what you hope, or even actually believe. But it is a procedure you follow to weed out the ones that ARE and ensure their harm is minimized.

Aliens might turn out to be super chill and generous. They might be apathetic. Or they might be Daleks. You have no way of knowing when you knock on the door which you will encounter. Like, a cop doesn't carry a gun with the intention of using it every single time they do something, despite what some hopefuls wish, they carry it just in case every door is the Dalek. But they can still assess the situation accordingly.

Again, the difference being, the officer has a pretty safe bet of being trained better than the person they do have to use their weapon on. Certainly at present that would not be true for the human race compared to interstellar traveling aliens, less like a police officer in a firefight and more like a toddler in a headbutting contest with a bus. Right now the stakes are extremely high, "nuke it from orbit it's the only way to be sure" high.

[Dragon Ball Fan]

and again, why would one assume alien life MUST be hostile?

Actually the specific is, one MUST assume alien life is hostile. It's slightly different. Like, when a public forum takes precautions against weapons. You aren't assuming bad intentions because it's what you hope, or even actually believe. But it is a procedure you follow to weed out the ones that ARE and ensure their harm is minimized.

Aliens might turn out to be super chill and generous. They might be apathetic. Or they might be Daleks. You have no way of knowing when you knock on the door which you will encounter. Like, a cop doesn't carry a gun with the intention of using it every single time they do something, despite what some hopefuls wish, they carry it just in case every door is the Dalek. But they can still assess the situation accordingly.

Again, the difference being, the officer has a pretty safe bet of being trained better than the person they do have to use their weapon on. Certainly at present that would not be true for the human race compared to interstellar traveling aliens, less like a police officer in a firefight and more like a toddler in a headbutting contest with a bus. Right now the stakes are extremely high, "nuke it from orbit it's the only way to be sure" high.

maybe I misunderstood but both this and Chuck's thoughts seem to be advocating to not even try to make peace with aliens if they come.

[clearspira]

and again, why would one assume alien life MUST be hostile?

Actually the specific is, one MUST assume alien life is hostile. It's slightly different. Like, when a public forum takes precautions against weapons. You aren't assuming bad intentions because it's what you hope, or even actually believe. But it is a procedure you follow to weed out the ones that ARE and ensure their harm is minimized.

Aliens might turn out to be super chill and generous. They might be apathetic. Or they might be Daleks. You have no way of knowing when you knock on the door which you will encounter. Like, a cop doesn't carry a gun with the intention of using it every single time they do something, despite what some hopefuls wish, they carry it just in case every door is the Dalek. But they can still assess the situation accordingly.

Again, the difference being, the officer has a pretty safe bet of being trained better than the person they do have to use their weapon on. Certainly at present that would not be true for the human race compared to interstellar traveling aliens, less like a police officer in a firefight and more like a toddler in a headbutting contest with a bus. Right now the stakes are extremely high, "nuke it from orbit it's the only way to be sure" high.

maybe I misunderstood but both this and Chuck's thoughts seem to be advocating to not even try to make peace with aliens if they come.

Here's what needs to be understood here.

Either they evolved on a planet with little to no natural predators, plentiful resources, and emotions much less aggressive than ours; or they evolved on a planet like Earth, that was full of natural predators, had sparse resources, and was full of very competitive, violent men waging war on each other.

The former would breed a species that has very little concept of violence because they had no need to be competitive with each other for land, mates or resources, and they had no need to defend themselves from animals. They certainly would have had no need for atom bombs or mustard gas or advanced battlefield tactics. They would have built that spaceship just to come here and shake your hand.

The latter i.e. humanity has had to be violent with ourselves and nature from day 1, and have become the apex predator because of it. And that last part is important because you cannot build a spaceship if you are constantly looking over your shoulder for a lion or if you are wondering if you can spare the food or metal to build it. Even if such a species gains world peace and comes to us in peace, they would still have the CAPABILITY for violence and would almost certainly assume the same of us. The Federation is the perfect example: An organization dedicated to peace and exploration that also arms its ships with antimatter warheads capable of leveling cities.

You may be thinking right now ''just don't piss them off and everything will be fine then.'' The problem with that is just how alien these aliens are. Their culture and thought processes and biology may be so different to ours that we will be incompatible at every conceivable level. The risk of causing offence by accident will be extreme.

[Madner Kami]

and again, why would one assume alien life MUST be hostile?

Actually the specific is, one MUST assume alien life is hostile. It's slightly different. Like, when a public forum takes precautions against weapons. You aren't assuming bad intentions because it's what you hope, or even actually believe. But it is a procedure you follow to weed out the ones that ARE and ensure their harm is minimized.

Aliens might turn out to be super chill and generous. They might be apathetic. Or they might be Daleks. You have no way of knowing when you knock on the door which you will encounter. Like, a cop doesn't carry a gun with the intention of using it every single time they do something, despite what some hopefuls wish, they carry it just in case every door is the Dalek. But they can still assess the situation accordingly.

Again, the difference being, the officer has a pretty safe bet of being trained better than the person they do have to use their weapon on. Certainly at present that would not be true for the human race compared to interstellar traveling aliens, less like a police officer in a firefight and more like a toddler in a headbutting contest with a bus. Right now the stakes are extremely high, "nuke it from orbit it's the only way to be sure" high.

maybe I misunderstood but both this and Chuck's thoughts seem to be advocating to not even try to make peace with aliens if they come.

No. Both advocate to be careful where you tread and plan for the worst case scenario, instead of blindly relying on the best case scenario.

[Dragon Ball Fan]

back the Ancient Astronaut thing. we know ways ancient people COULD have made the Pyramids or whatever on their own but we still don't know for certain that they actually used those methods.

and I don't think aliens built ancient structures but from evidence I know of, I'm not entirely convinced aliens were completely absent from ancient history either.

[clearspira]

back the Ancient Astronaut thing. we know ways ancient people COULD have made the Pyramids or whatever on their own but we still don't know for certain that they actually used those methods.

I disagree completely, there are only so many ways they could have employed the tools available to them because quite simply they did not have that many tools. We can be 99% certain that we have the answer already.

[Mercury01]

maybe I misunderstood but both this and Chuck's thoughts seem to be advocating to not even try to make peace with aliens if they come.

"If you come in peace, surrender or be destroyed. If you're here to make war, we surrender."