What I'm Really Afraid Of

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Worffan101 wrote: Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:25 pm Ugh, that political compass bullshit? It put me all the way in the bottom left, and I'm DEFINITELY not that much of an anarchist.
I'm not an extremist. It's all those centrist Nazi's that are extreme.
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Admiral X wrote: Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:13 pmIncidentally, both current year feminism and the "boys club" have much the same attitude toward complaining about this discrimination, which is to tell the complainers to just suck it up, because male.
Communists and Capitalists agree on very little. Who owns resources. Who should benefit from labor. What the responsibilities and limitations of the government should be. The list goes on and on. But for all their differences, both groups agree that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. Even the deepest of ideological divides must yield to the most obvious of facts.

Hence your observation. The simple truth is that men do not have problems, only failures. That is literally the definition of male in every major society the world round.

Femininity, for better or worse, is innate. Once society deems an individual to be a woman, she is forever a woman first and foremost, barring truly extreme circumstances. No matter what heights she may attain or what depths she may plumb, her gender remains in the forefront, with all the privileges and limitations attached to it. This is no doubt deeply frustrating to many who feel constrained by the role laid out for them, but there is another side - their role cannot be stripped from them. They may be forever consigned to be "only" a woman, but neither can that identity be taken away. This is why you will virtually never hear someone tell someone else to "Be a woman." You cannot "be" a woman. You either are one or you are not.

Masculinity, by contrast, is conditional. Having the right genitalia is a prerequisite but not sufficient. For society to view a person a man, that person must conform to the expectations it lays out for men. These are quite varied from culture to culture and manifest in a lot of different forms, but if there is a universal constant, it is that a man provides. Preferably, he provides for many, but at minimum he provides for himself. If a man is unable to provide for himself, then he isn't a man. He isn't a woman either, of course...he's just a nobody. He is the lowest of the low, of no benefit to anyone and deserving of nothing. This is why you frequently hear both sexes use the phrase "Be a man." Being a man is not just having a penis, it is acting as society deems a man should.

Arguments about which gender has it 'worse' have always seemed kind of academic to me, because the list of demands and benefits that society bestows upon each are so very different, and the vast, vast majority of us will only ever see one side of the coin. It's so ridiculously easy to fall into thinking the grass is greener on the other side, because you only ever see the highlights. The very, very few people that I know of who have actually managed to pull off passing on both sides of the fence don't really offer strong evidence one way or the other. It's just different. And one of those differences is what you have honed in on - women can have problems - men cannot. There is only success and failure.
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So, the sexual assault stuff...I'm eager to latch on to any snowball's hope in hell that Kavanaugh will not get into the court before the midterms, because he is president Neelix's get-out-of-jail-free card, but at the same time...how likely is it to make a lick of difference, considering our current leader's motto is "Grab her by the pussy"? =/
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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:50 pm So, the sexual assault stuff...I'm eager to latch on to any snowball's hope in hell that Kavanaugh will not get into the court before the midterms, because he is president Neelix's get-out-of-jail-free card, but at the same time...how likely is it to make a lick of difference, considering our current leader's motto is "Grab her by the pussy"? =/
*pounds head into wall* Fuzzy, Kavanaugh is NOT Trump's Get Out of Jail Free Card. It doesn't work that way. Whether or not Trump goes to jail has NOTHING to do with whether or not Kavanaugh gets seated. (It's super, SUPER unlikely to happen in any event, but if by some chance Trump messes up badly enough for it to even be considered, Kavanaugh won't save him.) Kavanaugh is about much bigger stakes than the fate of one particular President.

But as to the meat of your question...I dunno. If Trump were anyone BUT Trump, I don't think it would even be an issue - Kavanaugh would skate by easily. Because, let's face it...there isn't exactly a lot of meat on the bone here. This isn't like Roy Moore, who had dozens of women saying bad things about him and a LONG history of being super sketchy. This is ONE woman (so far, anyway) with a memory at a house she can't place, at a time she can't nail down, corroborated by nobody and nothing, related to a therapist 30 years after the fact. If THAT is going to become the standard of evidence by which a person is damned...I don't see how anything functions anymore.

But Trump IS Trump, and all the klaxons are blaring at maximum for the GOP. Ted Cruz is suddenly looking desperate in TEXAS. Republicans are polling down in Arizona and Tennessee. This is starting to look dangerously like political Armageddon. And it may be that in this environment, a few Republican senators will prove unwilling to risk adding fuel to the inferno that seems to be rising all around them. And it will only take a few. The Republican majority is quite thin. The GOP can probably still pull Kavanaugh, nominate Amy Barrett, and confirm her in the lame duck session. She's a woman, so she'll be relatively safe from MeToo, and she'll give them 95% of what Kavanaugh would anyway.

So maybe that's a alternate plan. I'd still put the odds of Kavanaugh being confirmed at about 80%, but that's a hell of a lot lower than I'd have given just a few days ago.
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LittleRaven wrote: Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:28 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:50 pm So, the sexual assault stuff...I'm eager to latch on to any snowball's hope in hell that Kavanaugh will not get into the court before the midterms, because he is president Neelix's get-out-of-jail-free card, but at the same time...how likely is it to make a lick of difference, considering our current leader's motto is "Grab her by the pussy"? =/
*pounds head into wall* Fuzzy, Kavanaugh is NOT Trump's Get Out of Jail Free Card. It doesn't work that way. Whether or not Trump goes to jail has NOTHING to do with whether or not Kavanaugh gets seated. (It's super, SUPER unlikely to happen in any event, but if by some chance Trump messes up badly enough for it to even be considered, Kavanaugh won't save him.) Kavanaugh is about much bigger stakes than the fate of one particular President.
Doesn't it?

If the president is charged with high crimes, then wouldn't the supreme court ultimately rule on that? Doesn't somebody who openly says a sitting president cannot be prosecuted for criminal offenses, who might rule on the constitutionality of his actions, have some ability to spring him from any consequences?

This isn't me being belligerent. I honestly want to believe what you say is true. I mean, granted, Brett Kavanaugh is really bad news for me either way in the long term, but if you can convince me that Kavanaugh doesn't have the power to nullify or excuse criminal charges against the president you will lift a huge weight from my over-burdened heart.
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LittleRaven wrote: Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:28 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:50 pm So, the sexual assault stuff...I'm eager to latch on to any snowball's hope in hell that Kavanaugh will not get into the court before the midterms, because he is president Neelix's get-out-of-jail-free card, but at the same time...how likely is it to make a lick of difference, considering our current leader's motto is "Grab her by the pussy"? =/
*pounds head into wall* Fuzzy, Kavanaugh is NOT Trump's Get Out of Jail Free Card. It doesn't work that way. Whether or not Trump goes to jail has NOTHING to do with whether or not Kavanaugh gets seated. (It's super, SUPER unlikely to happen in any event, but if by some chance Trump messes up badly enough for it to even be considered, Kavanaugh won't save him.) Kavanaugh is about much bigger stakes than the fate of one particular President.

But as to the meat of your question...I dunno. If Trump were anyone BUT Trump, I don't think it would even be an issue - Kavanaugh would skate by easily. Because, let's face it...there isn't exactly a lot of meat on the bone here. This isn't like Roy Moore, who had dozens of women saying bad things about him and a LONG history of being super sketchy. This is ONE woman (so far, anyway) with a memory at a house she can't place, at a time she can't nail down, corroborated by nobody and nothing, related to a therapist 30 years after the fact. If THAT is going to become the standard of evidence by which a person is damned...I don't see how anything functions anymore.

But Trump IS Trump, and all the klaxons are blaring at maximum for the GOP. Ted Cruz is suddenly looking desperate in TEXAS. Republicans are polling down in Arizona and Tennessee. This is starting to look dangerously like political Armageddon. And it may be that in this environment, a few Republican senators will prove unwilling to risk adding fuel to the inferno that seems to be rising all around them. And it will only take a few. The Republican majority is quite thin. The GOP can probably still pull Kavanaugh, nominate Amy Barrett, and confirm her in the lame duck session. She's a woman, so she'll be relatively safe from MeToo, and she'll give them 95% of what Kavanaugh would anyway.

So maybe that's a alternate plan. I'd still put the odds of Kavanaugh being confirmed at about 80%, but that's a hell of a lot lower than I'd have given just a few days ago.
Ted Cruz is one of the most hated men in the country. He's a widely-reviled shyster who's been despised from the moment he took his seat and who even among Republicans has a tepid at best approval rating.

Unfortunately, the Republicans have basically won another SCOTUS seat after stealing Merrick Garland's (and no, I don't think that Gorsuch is at all a legitimate Justice). That said--they're nearly 10 points down in generic ballot polls, Trump is an anchor around their necks (and a noose, for that matter), and Thomas is getting no younger. This is going to suck for decades, but we'll make it through. And maybe someday the GOP will stop pandering to the lunatic fringe while they're at it.
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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:15 am
LittleRaven wrote: Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:28 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:50 pm So, the sexual assault stuff...I'm eager to latch on to any snowball's hope in hell that Kavanaugh will not get into the court before the midterms, because he is president Neelix's get-out-of-jail-free card, but at the same time...how likely is it to make a lick of difference, considering our current leader's motto is "Grab her by the pussy"? =/
*pounds head into wall* Fuzzy, Kavanaugh is NOT Trump's Get Out of Jail Free Card. It doesn't work that way. Whether or not Trump goes to jail has NOTHING to do with whether or not Kavanaugh gets seated. (It's super, SUPER unlikely to happen in any event, but if by some chance Trump messes up badly enough for it to even be considered, Kavanaugh won't save him.) Kavanaugh is about much bigger stakes than the fate of one particular President.
Doesn't it?

If the president is charged with high crimes, then wouldn't the supreme court ultimately rule on that? Doesn't somebody who openly says a sitting president cannot be prosecuted for criminal offenses, who might rule on the constitutionality of his actions, have some ability to spring him from any consequences?

This isn't me being belligerent. I honestly want to believe what you say is true. I mean, granted, Brett Kavanaugh is really bad news for me either way in the long term, but if you can convince me that Kavanaugh doesn't have the power to nullify or excuse criminal charges against the president you will lift a huge weight from my over-burdened heart.
In the impeachment and trial of a President of the United States, the House would impeach, and the Senate would perform the trial.
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Darth Wedgius wrote: Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:59 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:15 am
LittleRaven wrote: Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:28 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:50 pm So, the sexual assault stuff...I'm eager to latch on to any snowball's hope in hell that Kavanaugh will not get into the court before the midterms, because he is president Neelix's get-out-of-jail-free card, but at the same time...how likely is it to make a lick of difference, considering our current leader's motto is "Grab her by the pussy"? =/
*pounds head into wall* Fuzzy, Kavanaugh is NOT Trump's Get Out of Jail Free Card. It doesn't work that way. Whether or not Trump goes to jail has NOTHING to do with whether or not Kavanaugh gets seated. (It's super, SUPER unlikely to happen in any event, but if by some chance Trump messes up badly enough for it to even be considered, Kavanaugh won't save him.) Kavanaugh is about much bigger stakes than the fate of one particular President.
Doesn't it?

If the president is charged with high crimes, then wouldn't the supreme court ultimately rule on that? Doesn't somebody who openly says a sitting president cannot be prosecuted for criminal offenses, who might rule on the constitutionality of his actions, have some ability to spring him from any consequences?

This isn't me being belligerent. I honestly want to believe what you say is true. I mean, granted, Brett Kavanaugh is really bad news for me either way in the long term, but if you can convince me that Kavanaugh doesn't have the power to nullify or excuse criminal charges against the president you will lift a huge weight from my over-burdened heart.
In the impeachment and trial of a President of the United States, the House would impeach, and the Senate would perform the trial.
In other words, impeachment is very likely post-November, ESPECIALLY if Mueller drops a bomb. If he drops a big one, then conviction is possible depending on how much of their souls the Republicans haven't sold yet.
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Worffan101 wrote: Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:39 am
Darth Wedgius wrote: Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:59 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:15 am
LittleRaven wrote: Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:28 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:50 pm So, the sexual assault stuff...I'm eager to latch on to any snowball's hope in hell that Kavanaugh will not get into the court before the midterms, because he is president Neelix's get-out-of-jail-free card, but at the same time...how likely is it to make a lick of difference, considering our current leader's motto is "Grab her by the pussy"? =/
*pounds head into wall* Fuzzy, Kavanaugh is NOT Trump's Get Out of Jail Free Card. It doesn't work that way. Whether or not Trump goes to jail has NOTHING to do with whether or not Kavanaugh gets seated. (It's super, SUPER unlikely to happen in any event, but if by some chance Trump messes up badly enough for it to even be considered, Kavanaugh won't save him.) Kavanaugh is about much bigger stakes than the fate of one particular President.
Doesn't it?

If the president is charged with high crimes, then wouldn't the supreme court ultimately rule on that? Doesn't somebody who openly says a sitting president cannot be prosecuted for criminal offenses, who might rule on the constitutionality of his actions, have some ability to spring him from any consequences?

This isn't me being belligerent. I honestly want to believe what you say is true. I mean, granted, Brett Kavanaugh is really bad news for me either way in the long term, but if you can convince me that Kavanaugh doesn't have the power to nullify or excuse criminal charges against the president you will lift a huge weight from my over-burdened heart.
In the impeachment and trial of a President of the United States, the House would impeach, and the Senate would perform the trial.
In other words, impeachment is very likely post-November, ESPECIALLY if Mueller drops a bomb. If he drops a big one, then conviction is possible depending on how much of their souls the Republicans haven't sold yet.
Still holding out for that "Blue Wave" :lol:
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Worffan101 wrote: Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:39 am
Darth Wedgius wrote: Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:59 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:15 am
LittleRaven wrote: Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:28 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:50 pm So, the sexual assault stuff...I'm eager to latch on to any snowball's hope in hell that Kavanaugh will not get into the court before the midterms, because he is president Neelix's get-out-of-jail-free card, but at the same time...how likely is it to make a lick of difference, considering our current leader's motto is "Grab her by the pussy"? =/
*pounds head into wall* Fuzzy, Kavanaugh is NOT Trump's Get Out of Jail Free Card. It doesn't work that way. Whether or not Trump goes to jail has NOTHING to do with whether or not Kavanaugh gets seated. (It's super, SUPER unlikely to happen in any event, but if by some chance Trump messes up badly enough for it to even be considered, Kavanaugh won't save him.) Kavanaugh is about much bigger stakes than the fate of one particular President.
Doesn't it?

If the president is charged with high crimes, then wouldn't the supreme court ultimately rule on that? Doesn't somebody who openly says a sitting president cannot be prosecuted for criminal offenses, who might rule on the constitutionality of his actions, have some ability to spring him from any consequences?

This isn't me being belligerent. I honestly want to believe what you say is true. I mean, granted, Brett Kavanaugh is really bad news for me either way in the long term, but if you can convince me that Kavanaugh doesn't have the power to nullify or excuse criminal charges against the president you will lift a huge weight from my over-burdened heart.
In the impeachment and trial of a President of the United States, the House would impeach, and the Senate would perform the trial.
In other words, impeachment is very likely post-November, ESPECIALLY if Mueller drops a bomb. If he drops a big one, then conviction is possible depending on how much of their souls the Republicans haven't sold yet.
You really want a more competent Mike Pence.
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