Should Kathleen Kennedy be let go from the Star Wars megaproject?

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MrL1992 wrote: Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:48 pm He hasn't trained much before making the 'impossible' shot at the Death Star with the force. and he held off Vader for recent amount of time in Episode V. Plus all number of other things he did single handily. Rey on the other had been surviving alone for years prior.
Yeah, I think they justified her defensive abilities with her life experience fairly well.
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Luke wasn't holding Vader off in ESB - Vader was intentionally holding back to test him. You might've noticed when Luke finally landed a blow, Vader cut his hand off within seconds. People also seem to be forgetting all the times he had to be rescued.
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MrL1992 wrote: Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:48 pm Most solo Batman movies met or exceeded their financial expectations. Wonder Woman's first major live action movie did well, the Flash has been successful on TV live action. Maybe you can argue that regarding Siperman's spotty history.

Feige and the MCU movies track record is an unprecedented exception. It's rare, most executives don't have sucy a streak. There's a difference between blaming a franchise runner for one or two things you dislike to making some bogeyman whose past accomplishments must be stripped away and/or forgotten.

He hasn't trainec much before making the 'impossible' shot at the Death Star with the force. and he held off Vader for recent amount of time in Episode V. Plus all number of other things he did single handily. Rey on the other had been surviving alone for years prior.
Millar's point was about the justice League.

The magnitude of the disliked things is pretty huge since they dragged politics into it.

Why would you assume that the toughest 4 gang bangers from Kenya would outperform the best Navy Seals or French Foreign Legion members in combat?:

How would that make her better at using the Force instantly compared to Luke?
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> acting as if there hasn't always been politics in movies.
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Yukaphile wrote: Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:21 pm > acting as if there hasn't always been politics in movies.
OT; Simple, bipartisan. Freedom vs dictatorship.

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Admiral X wrote: Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:24 am Luke wasn't holding Vader off in ESB - Vader was intentionally holding back to test him. You might've noticed when Luke finally landed a blow, Vader cut his hand off within seconds. People also seem to be forgetting all the times he had to be rescued.
His plan would have gone a lot smoother if he had disarmed a Luke a lot sooner and Luke not leapes out of the freezing chamber. At this point he'd had a few hours with Obi-Wan and a weekend with Yoda.

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Slash Gallagher wrote: Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:41 am
MrL1992 wrote: Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:48 pm Most solo Batman movies met or exceeded their financial expectations. Wonder Woman's first major live action movie did well, the Flash has been successful on TV live action. Maybe you can argue that regarding Siperman's spotty history.

Feige and the MCU movies track record is an unprecedented exception. It's rare, most executives don't have sucy a streak. There's a difference between blaming a franchise runner for one or two things you dislike to making some bogeyman whose past accomplishments must be stripped away and/or forgotten.

He hasn't trainec much before making the 'impossible' shot at the Death Star with the force. and he held off Vader for recent amount of time in Episode V. Plus all number of other things he did single handily. Rey on the other had been surviving alone for years prior.
Millar's point was about the justice League.

The magnitude of the disliked things is pretty huge since they dragged politics into it.

Why would you assume that the toughest 4 gang bangers from Kenya would outperform the best Navy Seals or French Foreign Legion members in combat?:

How would that make her better at using the Force instantly compared to Luke?
So Hollywood dare not cast more diversely than the norm because apparently that's partisan? And the original trilogy had plenty of influence from the Vietnam War which certainly wasn't an issue people were unified on.

Because this is using a narrative tool like the Force, thing that allows just one soldier to take waves of others on their own, something that doesn't happen in real battles.
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Look at the original trilogy, which was the white all-boys Rebels vs. the white all-boys Empire. Battle of Yavin, Hoth, and Endor were primarily all white males. So don't give me that bullshit. The story was superior, though.
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MrL1992 wrote: Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:23 pm
Slash Gallagher wrote: Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:41 am
MrL1992 wrote: Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:48 pm Most solo Batman movies met or exceeded their financial expectations. Wonder Woman's first major live action movie did well, the Flash has been successful on TV live action. Maybe you can argue that regarding Siperman's spotty history.

Feige and the MCU movies track record is an unprecedented exception. It's rare, most executives don't have sucy a streak. There's a difference between blaming a franchise runner for one or two things you dislike to making some bogeyman whose past accomplishments must be stripped away and/or forgotten.

He hasn't trainec much before making the 'impossible' shot at the Death Star with the force. and he held off Vader for recent amount of time in Episode V. Plus all number of other things he did single handily. Rey on the other had been surviving alone for years prior.
Millar's point was about the justice League.

The magnitude of the disliked things is pretty huge since they dragged politics into it.

Why would you assume that the toughest 4 gang bangers from Kenya would outperform the best Navy Seals or French Foreign Legion members in combat?:

How would that make her better at using the Force instantly compared to Luke?
So Hollywood dare not cast more diversely than the norm because apparently that's partisan? And the original trilogy had plenty of influence from the Vietnam War which certainly wasn't an issue people were unified on.

Because this is using a narrative tool like the Force, thing that allows just one soldier to take waves of others on their own, something that doesn't happen in real battles.
First sentence. What part of my comment are you adressing?

Where on he screen can i notice that Vietnam war commentary from the OT?

Internal consitency of your fictrional bs rules is still thing.
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A New Hope implies that Luke is already a pretty experienced pilot and marksman despite being stuck on Tatooine. It's fine if Rey is good at a lot of stuff, but her instantly being great at anything she tries with no training whatsoever is pretty noticeable. That's why so many theorized that Kylo Ren "unlocked" something when he was probing her mind in TFA. TLJ ended up doubling down by having an exclusive training session with the galaxy's greatest hero, sans any training or even any useful advice.

Rey's perfection doesn't just affect her though. I understand that there were a lot of extenuating factors that led to her defeating Kylo, and Finn going toe to toe with him is more egregious than what Rey did. But even so, it all served to delegitimize Kylo as a villain who should be taken seriously.

With all that said, the real problem isn't lack of logic or plot convenience that comes with her instant Force mastery. The big issue is the complete lack of internal/moral/spiritual struggle on Rey's part. Overcoming a personal flaw or finding new strength after failure is thematically essential for a satisfying story. Who beats who in a fight or who the best pilot might be is trivial in comparison. And that the real difference between Luke and Rey so far- Luke's struggle was moral rather than physical. Through two movies, Rey is the only one who has everything completely figured out, and I have never detected any sort of moral struggle.

In my opinion Kathleen Kennedy should have run a tighter ship and provided a clearer direction for the sequels. Whether she should get the boot for that, well it's kind of too late.
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