Pittsburgh Synagogue Shooting

[Antiboyscout]

It is rather tiring seeing certain people always blaming Trump for basically everything. I swear, he could cure cancer and they'd be trying to twist that around to be a racist or sexist or something.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10 ... itism.html
Trump’s Ideology Is Anti-Semitism Without Jews

we can't really pin this on him, but we're gunna pin this on him anyway

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

I can't exactly tie this to President Neelix, but do you think a massive hate crime with the murdering of Jewish people in a Jewish house of worship might have something to do with the rise of Neo-Nazis in America, and the normalization thereof?

Like I said, I don't think all the factors are totally clear. You could obviously connect it to the semi-organized anti-semitism/racism and to the mass shooting pandemic; both of those predate Trump. The public profile of white supremacy has been on the rise for years, and there's been a racist, white supremacist corner of the internet for decades (Stormfront was founded in the mid-90s).

There's a lot of things you can point to, but a disturbed racist rejects Trump's policies, publically states that he didn't vote for him, and continues a long-term murderous trend that is far older than Trump's political career. This "blame Trump for every evil under the sun" attitude is a part of why so many don't take so much of the media seriously. When something obviously minor is blown out of proportion or Trump is blamed for something that had little to nothing to do with him, it delegitimizes their entire perspective in the eyes of some. That isn't a rational response, but it's part of the partisan mood that both sides have encouraged for years. Which is a shame, because there's a great deal that Trump ought to be held accountable for.

...that's WHY i said "I can't exactly tie this to president neelix"

I thin kthat saying "I dont' think all the factors are totally clear" is a bit wishy-washy.

A man shoots jewish people because he is part of organized anti-semitism in a country with a growing neo-Nazi movement. Connect the damn dots.

[Yukaphile]

Well, he is a lightning-rod for legitimizing a more toxic discourse. Though it honestly flabbergasts me that more people aren't discussing how other politicians did so, like Bernie Sanders. But then, he could run in 2020, and we gotta give him a free pass.

[ChiggyvonRichthofen]

I can't exactly tie this to President Neelix, but do you think a massive hate crime with the murdering of Jewish people in a Jewish house of worship might have something to do with the rise of Neo-Nazis in America, and the normalization thereof?

Like I said, I don't think all the factors are totally clear. You could obviously connect it to the semi-organized anti-semitism/racism and to the mass shooting pandemic; both of those predate Trump. The public profile of white supremacy has been on the rise for years, and there's been a racist, white supremacist corner of the internet for decades (Stormfront was founded in the mid-90s).

There's a lot of things you can point to, but a disturbed racist rejects Trump's policies, publically states that he didn't vote for him, and continues a long-term murderous trend that is far older than Trump's political career. This "blame Trump for every evil under the sun" attitude is a part of why so many don't take so much of the media seriously. When something obviously minor is blown out of proportion or Trump is blamed for something that had little to nothing to do with him, it delegitimizes their entire perspective in the eyes of some. That isn't a rational response, but it's part of the partisan mood that both sides have encouraged for years. Which is a shame, because there's a great deal that Trump ought to be held accountable for.

...that's WHY i said "I can't exactly tie this to president neelix"

I thin kthat saying "I dont' think all the factors are totally clear" is a bit wishy-washy.

A man shoots jewish people because he is part of organized anti-semitism in a country with a growing neo-Nazi movement. Connect the damn dots.

If this fits into a consistent pattern predating Trump, there's no obvious causal connection to Trump, and the shooter explicitly said he didn't like Trump, then there is absolutely no reason for me to "connect the dots" between Trump and this shooting. As far as I'm concerned it's totally irresponsible and counterproductive for those in the media and those with influential public voices to do so without actual evidence outside "I hate Trump." All it does is perpetuate and broaden a partisan gulf that already seems much to wide to bridge.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

You misunderstand. I'm saying "connect the dots between an antisemite killing lots of jewish people in a jewish temple and rising Neo Nazi sentiments"

[ChiggyvonRichthofen]

Ok yeah, I'll go along with that.

[Yukaphile]

These would be the same media pundits who destroyed Clinton with "emails, emails, emails!" assuming she'd win, yet made horrible sexist comments about her looks while their guy was a hunched-over slob who looked like a bum they'd dragged in off the streets and stuck in a 20-year-old suit. They know nothing.

[Robovski]

If he cured cancer, he'd charge billions of dollars for it. It's about character. And he's greedy and cares about no one. Not who you want as your leader.

If I cured cancer I'd charge billions for it too - there are billions of customers for me to get a dollar from.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

If he cured cancer, he'd charge billions of dollars for it. It's about character. And he's greedy and cares about no one. Not who you want as your leader.

If I cured cancer I'd charge billions for it too - there are billions of customers for me to get a dollar from.

Then, with all due respect, you are an evil person.

[Yukaphile]

And then he wouldn't donate shit to worthwhile causes. If I got billions of dollars, I'd give generously. To causes, to charities. I'd give randomly to strangers, to everyone I know online, even people I hate. I think that would help make the world happier. I WANT PEOPLE TO BE HAPPY. As contradictory as that might seem.