She-Ra and the Princesses of Power

[MissKittyFantastico]

Wow.

So anyway.

I don't know that we have a confirmed age for Seahawk or Mermista yet.

I feel like late teens - maybe early 20s, but the world as a whole kind of skews young in terms of how old people are to be doing the jobs/roles they do (as media for kids does), and it's a bit difficult to pin down by way of Mermista having those very clearly late-high-school mannerisms, and Sea Hawk being an idiot. Somewhere between 17-20 if I had to take a guess - I'd put them around the same as each other, anyway, with the obvious caveat that Mermista's obviously the adult in the room between them. I don't know that an exact number is necessary, they came off as old enough to be dating without supervision (insofar as Sea Hawk should ever be allowed to do anything without supervision) - same kind of bracket as Netossa and Spinnerella.

I don't know what's been said in press releases - I tend not to bother following entertainment news, beyond watching trailers. Wikipedia has Adora at sixteen, Grayskull wiki describes Glimmer as 'late teens', so whatever - I thought fifteen or sixteen seemed about right for the Best Friends Squad.

[MyUserName]

Sexual situations? They are dancing. At a prom. In the manner of lots of teen characters in shows aimed at children at proms. You're talking like there was cunnilingus going on.

Stop appropriating icons from geek culture.

It's called an >>adaptation<<. It's not "appropriation". It's a remake of one of many low-quality cartoons cranked out to sell toys during the 80s, not a bastardization of some nearly-extinct religion's sacred text.

No. The 2002 animated series was an adaption. the DC comics have been an adaption. Staying true to the character archetypes and themes while updating tone and designs. THAT is an adaption.

Noelle Stevenson has stated and shown that she has ZERO respect for the fandom and franchise. She-Ra is simply a brand she can use to introduce her ideology to young children. It is text book definition cultural appropriation. Thats wrong on its own, but then when you consider that hers is An Ideology that states its okay for young underaged children to have sex changes, and be sexualized, its flat out horrifying. Thats called indoctrination and it uses what is called, propaganda to do it. And its appropriating icons from geek culture to deliver its message. That is wrong on EVERY level.

Sexual situations? They are dancing. At a prom. In the manner of lots of teen characters in shows aimed at children at proms. You're talking like there was cunnilingus going on.

I'm sorry, maybe you missed where adora shoves her thigh up into catra's crotch. Or maybe you missed multiple episodes where catra is VERY inappropriately fondling She-Ra/Adora and Nephista. Again, age up both characters, make catra a guy, replay those scenes, and watch modern feminist media explosively lose their collective S*it. But its suddenly okay when its two lesbians? Why? behaving like a stalker or predator is wrong regardless of orientation. The fact that they are both children being written like this is doubly wrong. The fact that this is marketed to children is just... WTF Dreamworks!?!

I feel like late teens - maybe early 20s, but the world as a whole kind of skews young in terms of how old people are to be doing the jobs/roles they do (as media for kids does), and it's a bit difficult to pin down by way of Mermista having those very clearly late-high-school mannerisms, and Sea Hawk being an idiot. Somewhere between 17-20 if I had to take a guess - I'd put them around the same as each other, anyway, with the obvious caveat that Mermista's obviously the adult in the room between them. I don't know that an exact number is necessary, they came off as old enough to be dating without supervision (insofar as Sea Hawk should ever be allowed to do anything without supervision) - same kind of bracket as Netossa and Spinnerella.

Noelle Stevenson gave an interview that stated aging Adora down to her very early teens was a deliberate move to remove the objectification aspect of OG she ra and focus on character. Cute spin, but what she really meant was that she wanted an underaged lesbian to be objectified by the tumbler shipping community. Sorry, but I'm not letting stevenson off for her shenanigans simply because she's playing leftist SJW politics. Lumberjanes skewed even younger and had transgender characters there which is bloody sickening. It was confirmed by the crew that Catra/Adora are 14.

I also did state up above that if they wanted to have Seahawk swinging for both teams then they REALLY need to firmly set his age bracket as he does come off as a full on child predator. If the creators didn't care enough about something like that, I'm not going to give their creative work a free pass simply because his age wasn't set in stone. He's an experienced sailor which requires an adults upper body strength and years of practice to learn, he's an adult. The She-Ra crew are not. Hands off sailor.

[MightyDavidson]

Sadly haven't gotten to see this show yet but I like most of the re-imaginings of the characters, particularly Catra's. If this season is released on DVD some time I would quite happily purchase it.

[Starbug]

NGL, Princess Prom is probably my favorite episode. >.>

Welcome to Adora's head. Population: Catra

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Lumberjanes skewed even younger and had transgender characters there which is bloody sickening.

Aaand this is where I stop engaging with you, but I really shouldn't have responded this far. Young trans people exist. They are not "sickening".

[MyUserName]

Lumberjanes skewed even younger and had transgender characters there which is bloody sickening.

Aaand this is where I stop engaging with you, but I really shouldn't have responded this far. Young trans people exist. They are not "sickening".

Agree to Disagree, Children should be allowed to be children. Not forced to be something they are not. I wouldn't ask a teen who has gone through puberty to be straight if they think they are gay, I wouldn't ask a child with no framework for a practical conception of sexuality to identify as anything other than a child. I could argue further, but I don't see a point.

[Worffan101]

Lumberjanes skewed even younger and had transgender characters there which is bloody sickening.

Aaand this is where I stop engaging with you, but I really shouldn't have responded this far. Young trans people exist. They are not "sickening".

Agree to Disagree, Children should be allowed to be children. Not forced to be something they are not. I wouldn't ask a teen who has gone through puberty to be straight if they think they are gay, I wouldn't ask a child with no framework for a practical conception of sexuality to identify as anything other than a child. I could argue further, but I don't see a point.

That's a great point! So why shouldn't we let trans kids present as the gender they identify with? I mean, you JUST SAID that kids shouldn't be forced to be something they're not, right? And trans people, like gay people, exist because of minor genetic changes on the sex chromosomes, so it's not like you can /stop/ being trans.

I mean, if you don't let trans kids present as the gender they identify with, then you're kind of just being a raging hypocrite. Right?

[MyUserName]

Lumberjanes skewed even younger and had transgender characters there which is bloody sickening.

Aaand this is where I stop engaging with you, but I really shouldn't have responded this far. Young trans people exist. They are not "sickening".

Agree to Disagree, Children should be allowed to be children. Not forced to be something they are not. I wouldn't ask a teen who has gone through puberty to be straight if they think they are gay, I wouldn't ask a child with no framework for a practical conception of sexuality to identify as anything other than a child. I could argue further, but I don't see a point.

That's a great point! So why shouldn't we let trans kids present as the gender they identify with? I mean, you JUST SAID that kids shouldn't be forced to be something they're not, right? And trans people, like gay people, exist because of minor genetic changes on the sex chromosomes, so it's not like you can /stop/ being trans.

I mean, if you don't let trans kids present as the gender they identify with, then you're kind of just being a raging hypocrite. Right?

Speaking on a genetic level, Children need to be taught to be children, to laugh, have fun, and yes, accept the gender they were born as. After puberty and maturity sets in if they feel they need to pursue an alternate lifestyle, thats their onus.

The problem with your argument is that it applies an adults understanding of sexuality to children, who have scarcely begun to truly own their own needs and are dependent on their parents and caregivers for their identity and needs. Even the most mindful and willful of children is still dependent for their knowledge and understanding of the world on their environment and parents. Attempting to apply or indoctrinate them with knowledge they are genetically and fundamentally ill equipped to handle, and to teach them not to accept who they are and what they were born as, is nothing more than abuse.

While I accept other adults and young adults right to live their lives as they see fit. Children however must be led and guided until they are prepared to start taking responsibility. Not taught to change what they are, but accept who they are, and what they were born as. That includes Gender. Yeah, any LGBTQ supporters offended by that, Not sorry.

Basically, I see the idea that children can be born trans as nonsense. Not backed up at all by genetics or psychology, but rather enforced by the trans community desperate for validation in much the same way many parents will pressure their children towards a career or field of study to validate themselves. And unfortunately, where most children can chose to change fields of work and study when they become of age, it is impossible to undo the harm an enforced sex change can cause which Is why I stand by my principle that this is something that must be a adults/young adults right to choose after a parent has taught and set a postive example for gender roles in a childs life. Yes, I hold that positive gender roles are healthy despite what the radical left will uphold.

I can say SO much more, but I'd rather let the talk go back to She-Ra. While my own opinion that it's a smoldering train wreck that collided with a dumpster fire for every reason you could think of, I'd rather let the fans get back to their... fanning. You know what I mean.

[MightyDavidson]

Lumberjanes skewed even younger and had transgender characters there which is bloody sickening.

Aaand this is where I stop engaging with you, but I really shouldn't have responded this far. Young trans people exist. They are not "sickening".

Agree to Disagree, Children should be allowed to be children. Not forced to be something they are not. I wouldn't ask a teen who has gone through puberty to be straight if they think they are gay, I wouldn't ask a child with no framework for a practical conception of sexuality to identify as anything other than a child. I could argue further, but I don't see a point.

That's a great point! So why shouldn't we let trans kids present as the gender they identify with? I mean, you JUST SAID that kids shouldn't be forced to be something they're not, right? And trans people, like gay people, exist because of minor genetic changes on the sex chromosomes, so it's not like you can /stop/ being trans.

I mean, if you don't let trans kids present as the gender they identify with, then you're kind of just being a raging hypocrite. Right?

I just put that guy on ignore the moment I realized the sort of attitudes he was posting. Sure it won't stop him from posting it but at least I won't have to view it. I'm hoping that if everybody does that he'll go away, since he'll have nobody to debate.

[Worffan101]

Speaking on a genetic level, Children need to be taught to be children, to laugh, have fun, and yes, accept the gender they were born as. After puberty and maturity sets in if they feel they need to pursue an alternate lifestyle, thats their onus.

Wait, you're saying we should let kids /fully transition before they go through puberty/? That seems a bit much, we should just let them /present/ whatever way they prefer, they're kids after all.

I do agree, though, that children should be allowed to embrace the gender they were born identifying with rather than the one they were assigned by some nurse at a hospital.

The problem with your argument is that it applies an adults understanding of sexuality to children, who have scarcely begun to truly own their own needs and are dependent on their parents and caregivers for their identity and needs. Even the most mindful and willful of children is still dependent for their knowledge and understanding of the world on their environment and parents. Attempting to apply or indoctrinate them with knowledge they are genetically and fundamentally ill equipped to handle, and to teach them not to accept who they are and what they were born as, is nothing more than abuse.

Yes, children should be allowed to embrace whatever gender presentation they so choose, not pigeonholed into a blue or pink box. Well said.

While I accept other adults and young adults right to live their lives as they see fit. Children however must be led and guided until they are prepared to start taking responsibility. Not taught to change what they are, but accept who they are, and what they were born as. That includes Gender. Yeah, any LGBTQ supporters offended by that, Not sorry.

Yeah, why would pro-LGBT people be offended by that? All you're saying is that trans kids should be allowed to embrace themselves rather than be forced to pretend they're the gender that "matches" their genitalia. Which, seems kind of like an infringement of adult understandings of sex and sexuality upon a child's business.

Doesn't it?



So glad to find people willing to stand up for trans rights here on the cesspool known as the Internet.