A glance at Italy...

[LittleRaven]

Where 'fascist' is an actual political identity.

He has hardly got off the airplane before the stream of invective begins. Refugees, says Matteo Salvini at the end of a trip to Africa, "who rape, steal and deal" will be stopped by the new security decree. Italy, he fumes, has had enough of migrants "who aren't fleeing from war but who are bringing war to our country."

Not a day goes by without an incitement from Salvini. In office as interior minister since June 1, the head of the right-wing party Lega has become the voice of the government led by Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte. Salvini's motto is simple: "Italians first." His tone is combative. And the consequences can be seen everywhere.

In Macareta, black pedestrians were shot at in broad daylight. In Aprilia, a Moroccan man was beaten to death. In Caserta, youth opened fire on men from Mali. The steady stream of incidents in the summer and fall of 2018 has triggered disgust in Italy and beyond. At least 70 racist occurrences were registered in the country between June and October.

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IF YOU´RE INTERESTED IN MEETING neo-fascists, you could do worse than jumping onto the subway at San Giovanni, just next to the cathedral that is the pope's official seat, and heading east. Marco Continisio is waiting at the Santa Maria del Soccorso station, a 28-year-old bearded man who is the local representative of CasaPound, the party of self-proclaimed "fascists of the third millennium."

The movement, named for the American poet and Mussolini admirer Ezra Pound, was founded in 2003 and now has more than 100 offices around the country with more than 20,000 members. In Rome, particularly in the city's east, the neo-fascists have become a significant power -- in part because they offer daily assistance to those in need in addition to getting involved and showing a presence in places where the state has long since given up.

Combined with Italy's ongoing economic problems, this does not bode well.

[TGLS]

It's all the legacy of the years of lead I guess...

[Madner Kami]

It's all the legacy of the years of lead I guess...

Nope, it's the legacy of the country switching sides mid-war and getting off scot-free, despite being the literal home of fascism, plenty of genocidal behaviour and attacking neighbours by force of arms.

[Antiboyscout]

I wonder if people realize that fewer people are drowning in the Med now than when the ports were open? Same deal with Australia, if you give migrants a hard no they won't get on the boat in the first place and won't end up in a dangerous situation.

A country with 10% unemployment doesn't need more workers.

[Antiboyscout]

It's all the legacy of the years of lead I guess...

Nope, it's the legacy of the country switching sides mid-war and getting off scot-free, despite being the literal home of fascism, plenty of genocidal behaviour and attacking neighbours by force of arms.

Italian fascism does not involve genocide (who did they genocide? the Greeks? the Ethiopians?).
The antisemitism was a sign of Germany's/Hitler's domination over the partnership.

[Madner Kami]

It's all the legacy of the years of lead I guess...

Nope, it's the legacy of the country switching sides mid-war and getting off scot-free, despite being the literal home of fascism, plenty of genocidal behaviour and attacking neighbours by force of arms.

Italian fascism does not involve genocide (who did they genocide? the Greeks? the Ethiopians?).
The antisemitism was a sign of Germany's/Hitler's domination over the partnership.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rab_concentration_camp

Italy really had it in for the Slovenes and Croats. Rab had an annual fatality rate of 18%, which is higher than Buchenwald's 15%. And Jews were not intered there until June 1943 and those actually had better "living" conditions than the Slovenes and Croats. Let that sink in for a moment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_F ... and_racism

Feel free to read up on some of the details. And obviously, being a Libyan or Ethopian, wasn't exactly fun either:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_I ... tion_camps

At the very least, 80.000 Libyans vanished in these camps. And this is what Silvio Berlusconi has to say about that matter:

Silvio Berlusconi, the prime minister of Italy, recently told an Italian newspaper that the fascist government of Benito Mussolini "never killed anyone."

"Mussolini used to send people on vacation in internal exile," Berlusconi was quoted as saying in La Voce di Rimini, an Italian newspaper.

https://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/29/news ... nesia.html

Genocide and racial purity are very much integral parts of Italian fascism. And so is pretending that it never happened.

[CmdrKing]

The problem with an ideology predicated on fighting an Other is that, eventually, you have to actually do something about them to maintain the illusion of power.

Honestly this has been something of a failure on behalf of the whole world after the war. The desire to write off Nazism as a one-off evil, or the axis in general as the corruption created by three individual men, led to neglecting the factors that lead to fascism beyond their own personal cults of power.
(particularly dumb in Imperial Japan, where Tojo was just one in a long line of prime ministers who largely followed similar paths. I mean the Sino-Japanese war had been going for a good 4 years before the invasion of Belgium.)

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Well, that's because any attempt to address the root causes of fascism might threaten paths to power for other leaders and disrupt the status quo. Can't have that after all. 9_9

[Antiboyscout]

Genocide and racial purity are very much integral parts of Italian fascism. And so is pretending that it never happened.

If denial is the last stage of a genocide does that mean if it isn't denied then it isn't a genocide?

[Madner Kami]

Genocide and racial purity are very much integral parts of Italian fascism. And so is pretending that it never happened.

If denial is the last stage of a genocide does that mean if it isn't denied then it isn't a genocide?

I can't remember or see having written anything like that.