How does MeToo mesh with the legalise prostitution movement?

[Yukaphile]

That's because most people are stupid, and subscribe to stereotypes, so the stereotypes for Feminists are they're ugly, can't get a man, lesbians, hate men, etc. Of course, I reject stereotypes, so that's not my view of Feminists at all.

It's because of culture, not actual genetics, that lead men to inappropriately touch women and even other men that way more, I feel. It's the reason I listed above, that most people still subscribe to stereotypes, and as a result, men are going to be pigs more, because we're slaves to those chains of belief. We internalize those stereotypes, and they fill our heads until its sound is all one hears, and very soon, you become the racial or gender stereotype society believes you are. Unless you're a loner and shy away from other people, like me.

[Madner Kami]

That's because most people are stupid, and subscribe to stereotypes, so the stereotypes for Feminists are they're ugly, can't get a man, lesbians, hate men, etc. Of course, I reject stereotypes, so that's not my view of Feminists at all.

Really? What about Russians?

[Yukaphile]

I've said repeatedly that was two million out of a hundred million. Hardly a majority. It's just 1%. I simply wish they'd reform out of a religious conservative patriarchy is all, but that's up to their leaders, which the average citizen has no control over. They're as much victims now as they were 70 years ago.

[Yukaphile]

Please don't bring that up, though. My only problem with that is people who try to demonize the innocent civilians of WWII and somehow represent monsters committing war crimes as victims, which is an attitude I see way too often - and ironically, is sometimes coming from Feminists. Yeah.

[Yukaphile]

Anyway, I don't see the problem. I'm Feminist-minded, mainly, and I want to legalize prostitution, primarily to stop illegal sex trafficking of women and children, and I also tend to believe people in MeToo who share their stories. I've seen several from men and women I believe.

[clearspira]

And there's one other pertinent figure that can't be ignored. That those statistics can lie, or be biased or slanted a certain way. I don't trust them.

And yet I vaguely recall you echoing the "fact" that women bear the bulk of sexual harassment as a statistical trueism. Lemme see, where was that? Ah right, here:

Also, MeToo has sometimes revealed males who have been inappropriately touched. So it's not just women. It is women who bear the bulk of sexual harassment. That is statistically true. But that it's empowering men the same way is a good thing.

So do you believe statistics or not, because oh boy do I have some numbers that put your asessment onto it's collective head, at least when it's about the US in particular (just think about the clichee of dropping the soap in the shower in a jail, it's become a clichee for a reason). Let's just think about how a study found, in Quebec Canada no less, that 30% of the interviewed men suffered sexual harassement, yet police records show that only 8% of all reported harassment had males as a victim, implying seriously unpleasent implications.

But that is in essence true all over the world, because men are societally educated to ignore (sexual) harassment and generally keep all their issues to themselves. For example, I can tell you right off the bat that I got sexually harassed more than 5 times this year alone.

• A coworker who had some private issues with her boyfriend and found herself in kind of a midlife-crisis and I was talking with her with the result that she just began to kiss my neck at one point, without me having any interest in her or showing any such interest.
• A different coworker kept pushing herself physically onto me, making body-contact whenever we were physically close to each other, e.g. backing off into me to create contact at the hips, leaning onto me from behind and so on.
• A drunken female customer clearly had a crush on me and between what began with her calling me various sexually suggestive things in clear hearing distance to several other customers and coworker and her just grabbing my ass repeatedly, I can assure you that this one wasn't anything I enjoyed or felt flattered by.
• Mentioning grabbing my ass, a coworker, repeatedly. Female again as, by nature, I am male and there's only a small amount of males in my field of work for various reasons.
• And just to create a balanced list, let me mention one of the many times when a male co-worker showed his affection this year, by mentioning various things he finds sexy about me. Well, he is gay, so I'm not 100% certain if this counts as male on male harassment or not.

Can you guess how often I went to the HR-departement or the police this year? Yup, not once. Do you have any idea how many cases of male on female sexual harassment got reported to HR in the same year in my company? Well, I'll just make mention of the fact, that 3 male coworkers who joined the market I was working in this year, were either removed from the company or shifted to a different market and only one of them did something worse than what I listed above. You know how many males are currently working in the market I was this year? After I left and switched back to my home market: One. And yes, that is the gay one mentioned above. The market started out with 2 before I joined in January. Sometimes I don't really have to wonder why there are so few men in my field of work and they are almost always working in a position where there is little to no unsupervised contact to females.

True, figures can be manipulated easily. Nevertheless I am more inclined to believe them than not in this case given just how dirty the word feminism has become in 2018. It isn't more than 50% I will guarantee you that.

In my opinion, people who call themselves feminists nowadays, where women largely and vastely fall under the exact same laws and regulations as males, have missed a decissive moment in history and live in a past that is no longer existing at best. At worst they are what is commonly refered to as feminazis who quite literally aim for nothing less than destroying manhood biologically or, at the very least, argue to make men a slave class.

It is currently much more about getting everyone into an equal position as both men and women still fall victim to societal prejudices and expectations in pretty much the exact same way and suffer rather similar issues and where those issues differ between the sexes, men are almost universally ignored or even shouted down. Famously here in Germany, we have a "Federal Ministry for Family, Seniors, Women and the Youth". This speaks volumes and it's the same all over the world. Cases where women shelters are created left, right and center and an attempt to create a shelter for men finds itself laughed, mocked and ridiculed or evne shut down, are legion.

Now, mind you, I am not argueing that "men have it worse", even though my ranting ramble probably leads into that direction. I am just argueing that feminism is the literal aproximation for everything that is wrong in our current societies, namely only trying to focus onto "women-issues". What we need is a new movement that aims at removing the issues that both sexes suffer from, because they are largely caused by the same societal prejudices and setups and, as far as I can tell, there's a large level of agreement about that in general society, even though implementation is still lacking.

Here in Britain our equivalent is called the ''women and equalities Committee''. Says it all.

I have long felt that the victim mentality is as addictive as cocaine. A think a lot of people do not want to admit that all the dragons have been slain and only mice remain, because that would mean an end to the back-patting, the attention, the sympathetic ear, the perks. What perks some ask? The aforementioned government departments are a good example. If equality was admitted to, suddenly those that work in these departments would be out of a job. Equality is not actually in the best interest of those who get paid to seek equality, just as helping people quit smoking isn't actually in the best interest of those that sell nicotine patches.

And I agree, I won't go as far to say that men have it worse either: I think that both men and women have it crap in life but in different ways. I don't believe it is possible to quantify an objective ''this is worse'' measure without actually spending a few years as the opposite sex. But it is definitely more fashionable to help one sex over the other and that is undeniable.

[Karha of Honor]

Also, MeToo has sometimes revealed males who have been inappropriately touched. So it's not just women. It is women who bear the bulk of sexual harassment. That is statistically true. But that it's empowering men the same way is a good thing.

Empowering them to be what?

If it happens once i can take it thank you very much without running to anyone. Even if it's a giant Hulk Hogan looking gay dude.

Don't say about men what you would not say about women. All you are doing is just insulting any pain those men may have from the experience. Maybe you would say that to a woman, but I doubt it somehow.

I said about me and man and women are not the same.

[clearspira]

Also, MeToo has sometimes revealed males who have been inappropriately touched. So it's not just women. It is women who bear the bulk of sexual harassment. That is statistically true. But that it's empowering men the same way is a good thing.

Empowering them to be what?

If it happens once i can take it thank you very much without running to anyone. Even if it's a giant Hulk Hogan looking gay dude.

Don't say about men what you would not say about women. All you are doing is just insulting any pain those men may have from the experience. Maybe you would say that to a woman, but I doubt it somehow.

I said about me and man and women are not the same.

Men and women are not the same? In what sense? If you want to talk about biological differences then fine, men being stronger and women being the childbearers will always affect society in some way. But beyond that, explain yourself sir. You sound mighty Victorian with that attitude.

[Yukaphile]

Besides, a well-trained woman could kick any man's ass. I love that.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Now, mind you, I am not argueing that "men have it worse", even though my ranting ramble probably leads into that direction. I am just argueing that feminism is the literal aproximation for everything that is wrong in our current societies, namely only trying to focus onto "women-issues". What we need is a new movement that aims at removing the issues that both sexes suffer from, because they are largely caused by the same societal prejudices and setups and, as far as I can tell, there's a large level of agreement about that in general society, even though implementation is still lacking.

At the end of the day the rules always just amount to a no-touch policy between people that aren't in the suitable type of relationship. I think it's safe to polarize the social demeanors that are at odds here. People that openly fraternize and people that enforce their boundaries. Of course the indictments get skewed by gender when you administer the policy, but what social demeanor listed before do you think that policy is going to cater to over the other?