Will The Disney Star War Sequel Trilogy Stand the Test of Time

[Winter]

It happens, especially when its something that has been going for so long. On the plus side, given how many series have gone back to their original continuities after the Reboot didn't work out (seriously Texas Chainsaw, Marvel Comics, Prince of Perisa, and DC comics with Rebirth) it's entirely possible that Legends will either A) Continue where it left off (hopefully without Troy Denning returning as I have similar issues with his run on SW that I do with the Disney Era) or B) Be adapted into a series onto it's that ignores the Disney Era.

From a business standpoint it would be a win win, you get a series that was very successful back which means more money and it will improve relations with fans. And again, this has been happening so often with a number of series that I'm honestly surprised that it hasn't been given it's own name yet.

[Wargriffin]

The problem with the Sequel EU is it basically just skipped over the rest of the GCW and spent so much time building this cold war state between the New Republic and the First Order


for the films to largely ignore them even though a BIG selling point and the reason they stated they threw out the old EU history was cause this EU and the Canon would be closely linked IE Quality control would make it that all forms of SW media would be Valid from The films, tv series, Books and Game stories


only for the TLJ to basically piss all over it

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Sorry, guess I let my fury at Disney over the mistreatment of Legends filter into this.

Well if you're able to consider that Donald Trump voters aren't necessarily all racists, then I'm confident you can see fans not necessarily as enablers of the Disney Empire.

[Yukaphile]

Oh of course! I don't think people who like it are bad people. I'm just mad at poor management over the handling of Legends. They really botched it badly. How did they think that was a good idea?

[Winter]

It doesn't help that the films seem to be largely working on, you need to have seen the Legends canon to get this reference about Force Bonds, Force Projections among other things. Case in point, Ren's mask is Clearly modeled after Revan's mask from Knights of the Old Republic instead of Vader's and Snoke's ship is also based on the Super ships from Legends. Also a number of plot and character points makes me think that Abrams, Johnson and Kennedy are fans of, or at least read, the Fate of the Jedi story arc given how similar the two are.

Both feature the son and Han and Leia falling to the Dark Side, kills off a number of popular characters for seemingly no reason other then to prove this story is serious, Luke becoming more cynical and cold and considers killing family members with very little thought about redeeming them. A pointless subplot that goes nowhere only replace Casino Planet with Mandalorians high-jinx. And long, over drawn, speeches about the nature of the Force in conversations that would make Christopher Nolan go "Tone it down."

Not a big fan of FotJ arc for the same reasons I'm not a fan of TLJ. And I know I'm not alone in this opinion and FotJ is often considered one of, if not The worst story of the Original EU by fans and it's a blow that the series has still yet to recover from and is a lesson of what Not to do with Star Wars. In the end Star Wars is a Sci-Fi, Fantasy and Adventure series and while it can get Dark and you can deconstruct the series and it's ideas but in the end this is still going to be about the adventure and TLJ and FotJ comes off as being as cruel as possible and relishing in that cruelty for as long as possible.

This is why, for me at least, the moments that are suppose to feel up lifting fall flat as both stories seem to enjoy making things as terrible as possible and at the end it just sucks all the fun out of it and while I can just ignore both stories if I so choose in the end, they both make re-watching/rereading/replaying all my favorite stories so much harder because in the end, it's all for nothing. Luke will always become a cynic, Han and Leia's family will always be broken beyond repair and characters I loved will always die deaths that are just pointless and done for reasons that just seem stupid.

I'm not saying I expected the heroes to always keep their happy ending or that they would live forever but I think after everything that they deserve to be able to die in peace and to not see their hard work fall to ruin. Mara and Luke could have grown old and died together, Han and Leia could have kept at least their twins and there was really no reason to lose another Skywalker family member to the dark side.

I can't remember what critics and fans reactions were when the story was released but if it was anything like TLJ's reception then history will likely repeat itself again and like FotJ TLJ will go down as the story that killed the series. Sure other EU stories Were released after FotJ but in the end the damage had been done and most fans had left the series.

In the end I just hope that the series just gets it's feet beneath itself at some point and SW can stop being so damn depressing.

[Jonathan101]

TFA and TLJ took elements from FotJ that is true (I can imagine that many Legends fans think that TLJ makes FotJ look better by comparison to be honest), but in actuality a lot of the plot elements used by these films were laid out by....George Lucas, for his vision of what HIS sequel trilogy would be, which was indeed that Luke was in exile after his new Jedi students were killed by a Darksider (and I think he'd settled on said Darksider being a Solo-Skywalker kid as well), only to be sought out by a female Force sensitive. The biggest difference is that he intended it to be a search for the origins of the Force with, mercifully, these films haven't touched yet.

[Winter]

TFA and TLJ took elements from FotJ that is true (I can imagine that many Legends fans think that TLJ makes FotJ look better by comparison to be honest), but in actuality a lot of the plot elements used by these films were laid out by....George Lucas, for his vision of what HIS sequel trilogy would be, which was indeed that Luke was in exile after his new Jedi students were killed by a Darksider (and I think he'd settled on said Darksider being a Solo-Skywalker kid as well), only to be sought out by a female Force sensitive. The biggest difference is that he intended it to be a search for the origins of the Force with, mercifully, these films haven't touched yet.

True but Lucas also admitted that they were Very Rough Drafts and from what I could find he wasn't very confident in them as stories. Admittedly Lucas is his own harshest critic but this time he seemed even more unhappy with these scripts then usual. Another major difference, again from what I could find and I could be wrong, was that the main character, originally named Kira (which personally I like a LOT more then Rey as it's a lot more subtle with it meaning, beam of light in Hindi), was going to be a bit more aggressive and flawed which would be more balanced out by Luke's more calm and tempered out look.

Again I could be wrong on that and feel free to correct me if I am but if that's true then I actually think that puts it's leagues above what we've gotten in the rest of Disney Era. At the very least I think there might have been more interesting ideas with Lucas around instead of them just ignoring him.

[Yukaphile]

Can't blame Lucas for this shitstorm. From what I can tell, he was barely involved if at all in the process of creating these, while he was intimately involved in the original trilogy and the prequels, for good and for bad.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Can't blame Lucas for this shitstorm. From what I can tell, he was barely involved if at all in the process of creating these, while he was intimately involved in the original trilogy and the prequels, for good and for bad.

I was never in the "these stories are my property just as much as his" club. At the end of the day I have a lot of appreciation for him just wanting to tell his stories. Lindsay Ellis did a video about death of the author, and how the author actively purveying meanings can come off as problematic. I'm very much on the author's side, personally.

[Jonathan101]

TFA and TLJ took elements from FotJ that is true (I can imagine that many Legends fans think that TLJ makes FotJ look better by comparison to be honest), but in actuality a lot of the plot elements used by these films were laid out by....George Lucas, for his vision of what HIS sequel trilogy would be, which was indeed that Luke was in exile after his new Jedi students were killed by a Darksider (and I think he'd settled on said Darksider being a Solo-Skywalker kid as well), only to be sought out by a female Force sensitive. The biggest difference is that he intended it to be a search for the origins of the Force with, mercifully, these films haven't touched yet.

True but Lucas also admitted that they were Very Rough Drafts and from what I could find he wasn't very confident in them as stories. Admittedly Lucas is his own harshest critic but this time he seemed even more unhappy with these scripts then usual. Another major difference, again from what I could find and I could be wrong, was that the main character, originally named Kira (which personally I like a LOT more then Rey as it's a lot more subtle with it meaning, beam of light in Hindi), was going to be a bit more aggressive and flawed which would be more balanced out by Luke's more calm and tempered out look.

Again I could be wrong on that and feel free to correct me if I am but if that's true then I actually think that puts it's leagues above what we've gotten in the rest of Disney Era. At the very least I think there might have been more interesting ideas with Lucas around instead of them just ignoring him.

Well, I think if they'd been made instead, I'd still be dissatisfied with it personally, particularly living in a world where I don't know about TFA or TLJ because they wouldn't exist.

My main issue with him here is that this means he is responsible for Luke failing to establish a New Jedi Order, which in turn stems from him historically not paying Legends / EU continuity much mind in the first place. I get the feeling that Disney / Lucasfilm honestly tried to make movies based on HIS ideas at least as a template, which was the wrong way to go, and while they deserve to be criticised for how they handled SW it still seems a bit wrong to me that so many fans think George would have had better ideas than them when, really, these ARE his ideas.

He wasn't involved much beyond that, and they obviously added a lot of their own stuff, but he's a tad more responsible than people realise I think.