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[Beastro]

Heh. The US is a country of contrasts. Easily on par with some muslim countries, when it comes to issues of public nudity, but at the same time it sports the biggest porn industry in the world.

Basal America culture sees sex as a very private thing. Both those two issues show that.

Conversely violence is a very open, public act, especially when it comes to reacting to crime or settling a fight as one can see of the American love of the idealized "Militia" of mutually protective citizens defending one another against criminals rather than recoiling and allowing the police to handle it, and a good old fashion fight done in front of everyone so the victor and loser can been clearly seen.

The amusing thing for me is seeing the clearly Anglo-Saxon roots of their cultural, yet they are so worked up over Independence that they still try to act as if they're not just a chip off the old block of their mother country.

You mean chip off the old block that was / is a leader in their partnership?

You mena a chip of the old block that managed to spread his historically optimistic movie culture farther than England could ever dream off?

Are you deliberately being ignorant or just being a dick? He is clearly talking about the foundation of your culture not what it is today.

He was not just talking about that,

Do tell, as I have no idea what you're talking about, especially in the dick waving territory you're going in to with those two points.

Was it me touching on how much Americans get their backs up over their English heritage given how much work has been done around building a national mythology against the English acting as if you have no connection with them what so ever since Independence?

[Karha of Honor]

Heh. The US is a country of contrasts. Easily on par with some muslim countries, when it comes to issues of public nudity, but at the same time it sports the biggest porn industry in the world.

Basal America culture sees sex as a very private thing. Both those two issues show that.

Conversely violence is a very open, public act, especially when it comes to reacting to crime or settling a fight as one can see of the American love of the idealized "Militia" of mutually protective citizens defending one another against criminals rather than recoiling and allowing the police to handle it, and a good old fashion fight done in front of everyone so the victor and loser can been clearly seen.

The amusing thing for me is seeing the clearly Anglo-Saxon roots of their cultural, yet they are so worked up over Independence that they still try to act as if they're not just a chip off the old block of their mother country.

You mean chip off the old block that was / is a leader in their partnership?

You mena a chip of the old block that managed to spread his historically optimistic movie culture farther than England could ever dream off?

Are you deliberately being ignorant or just being a dick? He is clearly talking about the foundation of your culture not what it is today.

He was not just talking about that,

Do tell, as I have no idea what you're talking about, especially in the dick waving territory you're going in to with those two points.

Was it me touching on how much Americans get their backs up over their English heritage given how much work has been done around building a national mythology against the English acting as if you have no connection with them what so ever since Independence?

Most people are not that interested in history in pretty much any country. Those who are don't deny they came from England and were influenced by English law and costums.

Who says that the United States had no relationship with the Brits / England post Independence?

[Robovski]

If anything the commonality has been played up since WWI. Sure, in the 19th century we didn't get along so much, but then the US were the recently rebellious free colonies and the UK the world dominating power the US split from fairly recently.

[clearspira]

If anything the commonality has been played up since WWI. Sure, in the 19th century we didn't get along so much, but then the US were the recently rebellious free colonies and the UK the world dominating power the US split from fairly recently.

Britain is the USA's closest foreign ally since WW2 maximum - why? because of those very same ties mean that our culture is very similar.

[Beastro]

Most people are not that interested in history in pretty much any country. Those who are don't deny they came from England and were influenced by English law and costums.

Who says that the United States had no relationship with the Brits / England post Independence?

I was speaking of the national mythology build up around the War of Independence that saw things like American Exceptionalism as a unique thing when it's a variation of unspoken English Exceptionalism.

The US had a relationship with Britain after the war in spite of things. It's why the Jay Treaty was so controversial, why the Quasi-War was undeclared, why the alliance with France official maintained until its end and why the US and Britain kept cooperation during it was near non-existent.

Americans beyond the Federalists did not like the idea of being friendly with Britain in anyway after Independence and struggled against the very fact that the two countries national interests have mostly aligned rather than conflicted.

[Karha of Honor]

Most people are not that interested in history in pretty much any country. Those who are don't deny they came from England and were influenced by English law and costums.

Who says that the United States had no relationship with the Brits / England post Independence?

I was speaking of the national mythology build up around the War of Independence that saw things like American Exceptionalism as a unique thing when it's a variation of unspoken English Exceptionalism.

The US had a relationship with Britain after the war in spite of things. It's why the Jay Treaty was so controversial, why the Quasi-War was undeclared, why the alliance with France official maintained until its end and why the US and Britain kept cooperation during it was near non-existent.

Americans beyond the Federalists did not like the idea of being friendly with Britain in anyway after Independence and struggled against the very fact that the two countries national interests have mostly aligned rather than conflicted.

Aligned? America needed to do even more colonialism...?

In what way did their interests align besides ww2?

[Beastro]

Most people are not that interested in history in pretty much any country. Those who are don't deny they came from England and were influenced by English law and costums.

Who says that the United States had no relationship with the Brits / England post Independence?

I was speaking of the national mythology build up around the War of Independence that saw things like American Exceptionalism as a unique thing when it's a variation of unspoken English Exceptionalism.

The US had a relationship with Britain after the war in spite of things. It's why the Jay Treaty was so controversial, why the Quasi-War was undeclared, why the alliance with France official maintained until its end and why the US and Britain kept cooperation during it was near non-existent.

Americans beyond the Federalists did not like the idea of being friendly with Britain in anyway after Independence and struggled against the very fact that the two countries national interests have mostly aligned rather than conflicted.

Aligned? America needed to do even more colonialism...?

In what way did their interests align besides ww2?

Colonialism? Do you mean in North American, as in Westward expansion? What the hell are you talking about? Elaborate.

I'll give you two main examples.

In the end Britain preferred US expansion into North America at the expense of Spain and France. In the same way the Royal Navy enforced the ban on importing new slaves to the New World and was the workhorse of antislavery patrols in general, Britain also was the enforcer of the Monroe Act. It served their interests more than it ever hurt them to free Latin America and then prevent Spain from trying to reconquer it (Russia offered troops to help Spain in the Americas after the Napoleonic War but that was then frozen by the Spanish when Britain made it clear they ships transporting the soldiers would have to go through the RN). Same went with things like the Louisiana Purchase, as the bottom line was it closed France's claims to continental NA permanently.

That Britain and the US had spats over the US/Canadian border misses that they were a small price to be paid to keep Britain's Continental enemies away as Canada, in an of itself in the 19th Century, was not a majorly important asset to the Empire.

The nation the US did the most trade with until into the 20th Century had always been Britain while the US declined as a major naval stores supplier for the RN (single trunk masts were a major benefit from the Colonies, with Independence they became more difficult to procure, so the RN had to return to weaker, multi-level masts that stacked smaller trunks on top of each other), it still remained a major one.

So much so it was a big historical reason why the US has had such a strong protectionist streak in them, as it first began to ween themselves off of dependency of Britain and to develop domestic industry. When the importance of that trade was ignored, like in 1812, big trouble followed, while those that threatened it became enemies of the US. Such as how the US had aligned with the Entante early in WWI in all but name given the heavier amount of trade with them. Being cut off from Germany was annoying, but it could be tolerated, what Germany was doing to British trade couldn't be.

[clearspira]

Most people are not that interested in history in pretty much any country. Those who are don't deny they came from England and were influenced by English law and costums.

Who says that the United States had no relationship with the Brits / England post Independence?

I was speaking of the national mythology build up around the War of Independence that saw things like American Exceptionalism as a unique thing when it's a variation of unspoken English Exceptionalism.

The US had a relationship with Britain after the war in spite of things. It's why the Jay Treaty was so controversial, why the Quasi-War was undeclared, why the alliance with France official maintained until its end and why the US and Britain kept cooperation during it was near non-existent.

Americans beyond the Federalists did not like the idea of being friendly with Britain in anyway after Independence and struggled against the very fact that the two countries national interests have mostly aligned rather than conflicted.

In what way did their interests align besides ww2?

You ever heard of the Special Relationship between the UK and US? Google it.

[Beelzquill]

I'm American and I've always loved British history, I guess I should say English and Scottish history, I never did read enough on Welsh. Probably because I'm mostly descended from English, Scottish, and Irish immigrants (I know the Irish aren't British but their history is really entwined with them). I know the United States based so much of our laws and legal structures on English law like the common law court systems. I don't know if that contributed anything, I just like the U.K.

[Karha of Honor]

If anything the commonality has been played up since WWI. Sure, in the 19th century we didn't get along so much, but then the US were the recently rebellious free colonies and the UK the world dominating power the US split from fairly recently.

Britain is the USA's closest foreign ally since WW2 maximum - why? because of those very same ties mean that our culture is very similar.

They are about as divergent as Swiss and Polish culture.

Most people are not that interested in history in pretty much any country. Those who are don't deny they came from England and were influenced by English law and costums.

Who says that the United States had no relationship with the Brits / England post Independence?

I was speaking of the national mythology build up around the War of Independence that saw things like American Exceptionalism as a unique thing when it's a variation of unspoken English Exceptionalism.

The US had a relationship with Britain after the war in spite of things. It's why the Jay Treaty was so controversial, why the Quasi-War was undeclared, why the alliance with France official maintained until its end and why the US and Britain kept cooperation during it was near non-existent.

Americans beyond the Federalists did not like the idea of being friendly with Britain in anyway after Independence and struggled against the very fact that the two countries national interests have mostly aligned rather than conflicted.

In what way did their interests align besides ww2?

You ever heard of the Special Relationship between the UK and US? Google it.

American exceptionalism is more than a version of the British exceptionalism. Special relationship or no special relationship. At least historically. American culture is hell at the moment.

Most people are not that interested in history in pretty much any country. Those who are don't deny they came from England and were influenced by English law and costums.

Who says that the United States had no relationship with the Brits / England post Independence?

I was speaking of the national mythology build up around the War of Independence that saw things like American Exceptionalism as a unique thing when it's a variation of unspoken English Exceptionalism.

The US had a relationship with Britain after the war in spite of things. It's why the Jay Treaty was so controversial, why the Quasi-War was undeclared, why the alliance with France official maintained until its end and why the US and Britain kept cooperation during it was near non-existent.

Americans beyond the Federalists did not like the idea of being friendly with Britain in anyway after Independence and struggled against the very fact that the two countries national interests have mostly aligned rather than conflicted.

Aligned? America needed to do even more colonialism...?

In what way did their interests align besides ww2?

Colonialism? Do you mean in North American, as in Westward expansion? What the hell are you talking about? Elaborate.

I'll give you two main examples.

In the end Britain preferred US expansion into North America at the expense of Spain and France. In the same way the Royal Navy enforced the ban on importing new slaves to the New World and was the workhorse of antislavery patrols in general, Britain also was the enforcer of the Monroe Act. It served their interests more than it ever hurt them to free Latin America and then prevent Spain from trying to reconquer it (Russia offered troops to help Spain in the Americas after the Napoleonic War but that was then frozen by the Spanish when Britain made it clear they ships transporting the soldiers would have to go through the RN). Same went with things like the Louisiana Purchase, as the bottom line was it closed France's claims to continental NA permanently.

That Britain and the US had spats over the US/Canadian border misses that they were a small price to be paid to keep Britain's Continental enemies away as Canada, in an of itself in the 19th Century, was not a majorly important asset to the Empire.

The nation the US did the most trade with until into the 20th Century had always been Britain while the US declined as a major naval stores supplier for the RN (single trunk masts were a major benefit from the Colonies, with Independence they became more difficult to procure, so the RN had to return to weaker, multi-level masts that stacked smaller trunks on top of each other), it still remained a major one.

So much so it was a big historical reason why the US has had such a strong protectionist streak in them, as it first began to ween themselves off of dependency of Britain and to develop domestic industry. When the importance of that trade was ignored, like in 1812, big trouble followed, while those that threatened it became enemies of the US. Such as how the US had aligned with the Entante early in WWI in all but name given the heavier amount of trade with them. Being cut off from Germany was annoying, but it could be tolerated, what Germany was doing to British trade couldn't be.

I assumed you said something you did not say i guess.

I fail to see how that proves that American exceptionalism is just a variation on British exceptionalism.