When did you discover Chuck's SF Debris show and how?

[Madner Kami]

*Vorlon warble*I have always been here.*Vorlon warble*

I knew of Chuck on alt.startrek.vs.starwars back in the day and then Michael Wong's stardestroyer.net web forum when Mike opened them (and which generally became the home of the ASVSers as UseNet and the NGs went into decline). I remember when the initial videos were being posted over on SDN and we'd do our discussion threads on reviews, the one I remember the most was the Tuvix review.

That said, I do regret that I never personally interacted with Chuck as much as the others back in the day. I've talked to him more in the last year than I did during those early SDN years.

I always wondered how someone becomes a high level mod on this forum. I guess its because you go way back

Given my experience with moding, he just was the last one to get up and away from the chair he sat on, when the forum-gods asked the audience: "Who wants to herd this bag of rabid cats and dogs?" So the job just defaulted to him ;P

Also, he can't always have been here. He's only the 51st registered user, so this forum clearly existed before he did. Bloody Vorlons. Worse then Eldar.

[Yukaphile]

@Steve Chuck always struck me as a guy who'd been involved in Stardestroyer.net or Spacebattles. Though he's a reasonable guy, while Mike Wong... well, he's an asshole, plain and simple. Completely juvenile and always struck me as a guy who hated Trek rather than liked it. Chuck to me feels like a fan who still feels the Empire could beat the Federation, but he wouldn't be hateful and petty and immature about it. And this from the guy who gave us "fart jokes" in the "Daleks' Master Plan" review. LOL.

[Steve]

Given my experience with moding, he just was the last one to get up and away from the chair he sat on, when the forum-gods asked the audience: "Who wants to herd this bag of rabid cats and dogs?" So the job just defaulted to him ;P

Also, he can't always have been here. He's only the 51st registered user, so this forum clearly existed before he did. Bloody Vorlons. Worse then Eldar.

It was my way of saying I've been around since the show started.

[Steve]

@Steve Chuck always struck me as a guy who'd been involved in Stardestroyer.net or Spacebattles. Though he's a reasonable guy, while Mike Wong... well, he's an asshole, plain and simple. Completely juvenile and always struck me as a guy who hated Trek rather than liked it. Chuck to me feels like a fan who still feels the Empire could beat the Federation, but he wouldn't be hateful and petty and immature about it. And this from the guy who gave us "fart jokes" in the "Daleks' Master Plan" review. LOL.

I don't think he hates Star Trek. He just doesn't suffer fools gladly, and his personality traits make him very... abrasive at times. And he sees no point in false civility in debate: if he thinks you're a dumbass, he's going to call you one. Probably with an f-bomb or two.

[Yukaphile]

He said he once went up to a woman who was parked in a handicapped zone and said, "Nice place to park, bitch" right in front of her child and seems surprised she got offended that he just randomly came up and insulted her right in front of her child. That really is what convinced me he was a dick. When he doesn't even know her story, that just because she doesn't have a debilitating illness or a crippling injury, does not mean she isn't handicapped. My mom is a perfect example of this. And he's a die-hard Imperial apologist who thinks the Empire is a great government, the Rebels really are terrorists, and that the Federation is a Communist hellhole. Though I'm referring to Mike Wong and not Chuck, if you think I was. I mean, the Empire blowing up a planet full of billions of unarmed people should tell you they're not a great government, though he'd probably compare it to the dropping of atomic bombs during WWII and that it's a necessary evil to "stop the evil Rebels." As far as I'm concerned, though, the destruction of Alderaan is the moral event horizon for the Empire, so that how they were represented in Legends is absolutely consistent with that, which I notice he would ignore.

[Admiral X]

It's kind of funny for me in a way, because the way I learned of SD.net was because the first forum I ever joined was SubspaceCommsNetwork, and they and SD.net had some kind of brouhaha that made SD.net "they who shall not be named" for SCN.

[Yukaphile]

Oh, and furthermore, Mike Wong had his own wiki (don't know if it's still up) where he boasted about how he "killed" religion because... well, I saw some of his weird theories. Don't believe in an afterlife because then all those times you were masturbating, your grandmother watched you. He also claims to be Asian, but doesn't look Asian to me. He also said Jesus was a radical hateful man who history has revised to claim was really a peacemaker. I hate him.

[Steve]

It's kind of funny for me in a way, because the way I learned of SD.net was because the first forum I ever joined was SubspaceCommsNetwork, and they and SD.net had some kind of brouhaha that made SD.net "they who shall not be named" for SCN.

I'm from Spacebattles originally. We had our own long, hostile relationship with SDN and its spiritual predecessor, ASVS, after the latter "invaded" Spacebattles in June 2000. Then there was the second invasion, the Eclipse thread, the pissing monkey .gif incident (SBer Laird once posted an image of Wong with the pissing monkey .gif popular at the time aimed at it... said image also had his wife, so Mike took it rather personally), and a number of other things. It was annoying enough that Spacebattles moderatorship eventually invoked a "The Affairs of Other Boards Do Not Concern Us" rule (due to both ASVS/SDN hostilities and a persistent issue with a Wing Commander web forum's politics spilling into SB).

This is back in the days before social media really took off, of course.


As for Wong himself. I never said Mike was nice. I've seen him in action on Facebook.

It's also funny to remember those anti-Communism days given these days he tends to vent more about capitalism, at least American capitalism. And he frequently vents his spleen about American conservatives and about Trump.

[Yukaphile]

That's ironic given he's entirely militaristic the way Trump is. He even created something similar to what Admiral X did, gushing about guns.

[FlynnTaggart]

I discovered Chuck through SD.net which I discovered through some ancient fansite dealing with SW vs ST fan-fics that linked to Mike Wong's novel sized fan-fic. I personally don't have anything against Wong, I only joined the SD.net forums long after he stopped posting but was a long time lurker, though I did find myself not really liking the forums quickly. Not saying the entire userbase was that way but it certainly did not seem all that friendly towards anyone who was not pure left. I'm left leaning myself, though with a few right wing ideals, and felt pretty unwelcome at times for being pretty "center left".

Things like some not believing in free speech when it came from the mouths of scum (which I personally believe is when it needs the most protection, I'm the idiot who believes that you protect free speech for everyone or its going to be useless) or dogpiling my clueless behind for asking questions of trans terms because I was trying to not offend people really did not endear the users to me. But again not saying the entire userbase was like that, probably weren't even a majority, just enough that I did not want to stay. Plenty of nice people there too, but just like any echo chamber with a arguably "toxic" element (toxic in highly vitriolic people who verbally attack and dogpile anyone who holds a differing opinion, that seemed atleast to me to be part of the board culture there to attack people but its entirely possible I was seeing a confirmation bias from my growing dislike of the board) the nice people are drowned out and differing opinions are unwelcome.

Still, can't hate the board for letting me find SF Debris.