Feminism and history

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

In the 1960′s Legally a woman couldn’t

1. Open a bank account or get a credit card without signed permission from her father or hr husband.
2. Serve on a jury - because it might inconvenience the family not to have the woman at home being her husband’s helpmate.
3. Obtain any form of birth control without her husband’s permission. You had to be married, and your hub and had to agree to postpone having children.
4.Get an Ivy League education. Ivy League schools were men’s colleges ntil the 70′s and 80′s. When they opened their doors to women it was agree that women went there for their MRS. Degee.
5.Experience equality in the workplace: Kennedy’s Commission on the Status of Women produced a report in 1963 that revealed, among other things, that women earned 59 cents for every dollar that men earned and were kept out of the more lucrative professional positions.
6.Keep her job if she was pregnant.Until the Pregnancy Discrimination Act in 1978, women were regularly fired from their workplace for being pregnant.
7.Refuse to have sex with her husband.The mid 70s saw most states recognize marital rape and in 1993 it became criminalized in all 50 states. Nevertheless, marital rape is still often treated differently to other forms of rape in some states even today.
8.Get a divorce with some degree of ease.Before the No Fault Divorce law in 1969, spouses had to show the faults of the other party, such as adultery, and could easily be overturned by recrimination.
9.Have a legal abortion in most states.The Roe v. Wade case in 1973 protected a woman’s right to abortion until viability.
10.Take legal action against workplace sexual harassment. According to The Week, the first time a court recognized office sexual harassment as grounds for legal action was in 1977.
11.Play college sports Title IX of the Education Amendments of protects people from discrimination based on sex in education programs or activities that receive Federal financial assistance It was nt until this statute that colleges had teams for women’s sports
12.Apply for men’s Jobs The EEOC rules that sex-segregated help wanted ads in newspapers are illegal. This ruling is upheld in 1973 by the Supreme Court, opening the way for women to apply for higher-paying jobs hitherto open only to men.

This is why we needed feminism - this is why we know that feminism works

[Mecha82]

Those feminist of old did good work and allowing women today to have rights that they have. I would wish that modern feminism would actually continue that while not letting bunch of rotten apples ruin reputation of feminism for they own self interest.

[clearspira]

This is why we needed feminism - this is why we know that feminism works

Keyword: needed.

Its 2019 now.

[pilight]

The impact on athletics is a side effect of Title IX. It was passed because schools banned girls and women from taking certain classes or pursuing certain degrees. Many universities barred women altogether.

[Deledrius]

Those feminist of old did good work and allowing women today to have rights that they have. I would wish that modern feminism would actually continue that while not letting bunch of rotten apples ruin reputation of feminism for they own self interest.

I'd be willing to bet you can find this sentiment expressed in the 1960s about modern feminists compared to the suffragettes.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

My question is why are we only going back to second wave?

[Darth Wedgius]

In 2019, women in the U.S. can't legally:

1) Be drafted.

I can't think of any others. I mean, medical circumstances aside; cis-women can't have get vasectomies, but I think that's a bit different.

I don't want to get wrapped up in a battle over semantics, so I'm not going to argue about "feminist" "really means" in this response. I'll just say that I understand the need for what some people call "feminism," but I also understand why some people distrust people who call themselves "feminists."

Women used to be treated somewhat like children. Not quite, but somewhere between adult male and child. The man had the responsibility, and a wife's debts used to be the responsibility of her husband to pay. And the if there weren't enough seats in the lifeboats, the women and children were the ones to live.

Men had a lot more freedom as well, and I'm not discounting that. I like the current system better, insofar as men and women are treated more equally. If I were a woman, I believe I'd happily give up chivalry in return for being able to make more of my own life decisions. So, unironically, yay feminism!

I dislike the current trend toward treating men as less worthy of consideration than other groups. We get "ban bossy" as well as "mansplaining." We get "toxic masculinity" for male habits that work against men, where we'd never get the same people saying "toxic homosexuality" for things gay people do that work against them.

And we get scenes of women assaulting men who annoy them. Even not counting Captain Marvel, it happened in a recent DC comic book as well. People excuse that who wouldn't excuse the reverse. And we get people who whine about "context" not as a way to deny this, but to excuse why they think women must be treated better than men.

And we get people who demand more women be CEOs, but not garbage collectors. If those people were really about equality, that wouldn't happen.

So... yay, feminism. Where "feminism" is "egalitarianism." Where it isn't, no thank you, and please get in line behind the rest of the bigots.

[clearspira]

In 2019, women in the U.S. can't legally:

1) Be drafted.

I can't think of any others. I mean, medical circumstances aside; cis-women can't have get vasectomies, but I think that's a bit different.

I don't want to get wrapped up in a battle over semantics, so I'm not going to argue about "feminist" "really means" in this response. I'll just say that I understand the need for what some people call "feminism," but I also understand why some people distrust people who call themselves "feminists."

Women used to be treated somewhat like children. Not quite, but somewhere between adult male and child. The man had the responsibility, and a wife's debts used to be the responsibility of her husband to pay. And the if there weren't enough seats in the lifeboats, the women and children were the ones to live.

Men had a lot more freedom as well, and I'm not discounting that. I like the current system better, insofar as men and women are treated more equally. If I were a woman, I believe I'd happily give up chivalry in return for being able to make more of my own life decisions. So, unironically, yay feminism!

I dislike the current trend toward treating men as less worthy of consideration than other groups. We get "ban bossy" as well as "mansplaining." We get "toxic masculinity" for male habits that work against men, where we'd never get the same people saying "toxic homosexuality" for things gay people do that work against them.

And we get scenes of women assaulting men who annoy them. Even not counting Captain Marvel, it happened in a recent DC comic book as well. People excuse that who wouldn't excuse the reverse. And we get people who whine about "context" not as a way to deny this, but to excuse why they think women must be treated better than men.

And we get people who demand more women be CEOs, but not garbage collectors. If those people were really about equality, that wouldn't happen.

So... yay, feminism. Where "feminism" is "egalitarianism." Where it isn't, no thank you, and please get in line behind the rest of the bigots.

Well said. This is why I have no time for ''lets stop and pat feminism on the back'' attempts like this thread. It did its job, great, now its a relic of a bygone age at best and a weapon at worst.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Ban Bossy. I like that.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Those feminist of old did good work and allowing women today to have rights that they have. I would wish that modern feminism would actually continue that while not letting bunch of rotten apples ruin reputation of feminism for they own self interest.

The feminists of old got exactly the same complaints as the feminists of now. People are very found of bitching and moaning when the status quo is threatened, then pretending that they were always find with it once it becomes the new status quo.