No clue who that is, but that interpretation would be a profound misreading of the entire text of Star Trek.
(Except maybe Discovery. I could see them throwing that out in Discovery like it's just a thing you can say.)
No clue who that is, but that interpretation would be a profound misreading of the entire text of Star Trek.
Herm... I wouldn't go as far as to call them the good guys, but the Empire did have a ''Saddam Hussein in Iraq or Gaddafi in Libya'' kind of way to them in that removing them created a power vacuum that created a hundred harder to manage problems. The First Order is a direct result of ''the good guys'' actions. Not to mention the fact the New Republic wasn't all that much improved over the old one and in many ways was worse given how their army was apparently a load of shit and their shoddy oversight of the galaxy allowed the First Order to get that strong in the first place.
I suppose the Federation thinking was that if it did come to war there would be time to drop the civillians off somewhere before sending their ships out. The ships themselves were mostly multi-role, not dedicated warships; if you're not frequently at war with enemies of equal or greater power it'll be hard to justify building and maintaining a dedicated fleet of pure warships, even in the largely post-scarcity Federation.Trinary wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:26 pm
In any case, Sisko did not choose to bring his wife and son to that battle after being given an option to have some way to have them sit it out. One can criticize Starfleet policy in having families onboard their ships, but there is no grounds to blame Sisko for the death of his family at Wolf 359; it is nothing even remotely similar to Seven's parents.
Which is why I said, as best they could try to work around it, the shows themselves keep showing why that is a bad idea.clearspira wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:47 pm Personally said straw and said policy should have been Wolf 359 given how we know from Sisko's flashback that he took his wife and kid with him AGAINST THE BORG.
Y'know, Sisko had no right to have animosity towards Picard when it was his own foolishness that got Jennifer killed. At least the Galaxy class was supposedly a powerful ship; Sisko was tottering around the Alpha Quadrant whilst at the helm of a Miranda - and not any old Miranda, this was the USS Saratoga, Starfleet's bitch. This is not quite Seven's parents, but its close.
Yes, Mike is, but that's one part of a larger whole, which is that he's a first grade contrarian.
He runs, or ran, stardestroyer.net. It's been a loooong time since I went there, but he was notable around, maybe like 2001 or so , for posting some articles on his site about the Sci-Fi genre.
That's the essence of what he was talking about, only it was mixed with a bit of flare from his internet atheist side with a lot deliberate goading and provoking in the "So you think your "good guys" are so great? How about we focus on their negatives to the exclusion of all else in the same way you do with the "bad guys" and see how evil they come across???" way.clearspira wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:56 amHerm... I wouldn't go as far as to call them the good guys, but the Empire did have a ''Saddam Hussein in Iraq or Gaddafi in Libya'' kind of way to them in that removing them created a power vacuum that created a hundred harder to manage problems. The First Order is a direct result of ''the good guys'' actions. Not to mention the fact the New Republic wasn't all that much improved over the old one and in many ways was worse given how their army was apparently a load of shit and their shoddy oversight of the galaxy allowed the First Order to get that strong in the first place.
*sighs*
It feels like it. Mysticism as plot device. It's too bad that DS9 never really figured out how to manage this better, with a few standalone exceptions (Rapture does it pretty good, I think). I'd say this episode is a strong example. In retrospect, I suppose we could say the Prophets needed Winn to be Kai in order to fulfill the destiny of the Emissary and seal the Fire Caves, but that's entirely a post-hoc reasoning. At this point, they're just using them for being "spooooooky" and "meaningful" and to drive the plot where it needed to go. But then we've discussed ad nauseam how bad the Prophets got near the end of the show, already...
Bareil, no matter how corrupt he got, would probably not have shacked up with Dukat and tried to free the Pah Wraiths. Maybe the Prophets wanted to make sure that the magic book/key got thrown in with the cell so that the door could never be reopened, permanently sealing away their enemy.Yukaphile wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:46 am Getting back on track here, something to note about this episode. Bareil is constantly having visions throughout the story. I know they come from the orbs, but it implies the Prophets didn't want him to be Kai. Any thoughts? Why would that be? Maybe because the power would corrupt him like it had done for Winn? He was better suited in a serving role? Or am I just grasping at straws? Is this more "enigmatic Prophet" stuff?