Darth Wedgius wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:18 am
GIven that this was DS9, should anyone be surprised that the Prophets might be in a gray area? This is the Trek series where the main hero is an accomplice to murder.
The difference is that Sisko was something of an unintentional stooge in the "murder" part of it. His greatest culpability came from covering it up after the fact. And he had to do a lot of soul-searching in order to justify it to himself. He had to decide whether the guilt over his actions, however unintentional, was worth the result. Of course, you could recast that entire episode as a sort of "Breaking Bad" sort of prologue, where he's slowly letting more and more evil stuff happen in the pursuit of justice.
The point is that he experiences moral doubt over the whole thing. We never get a chance to see the Prophets experience any kind of doubts about their evil shit nor even be called out for their evil acts. If we could get some of the characters even recognizing how badly the Prophets cross moral boundaries it might help. Remember that in a "comedy" episode they decided to brainwash Grand Nagus Zek just because they disagreed with his values system.
EDIT: And when you think about the above incident, that's pretty freaking dark. They were an eyelash away from brainwashing Quark against his will as well, even though he was begging them not to. The Prophets are kind of an Orwellian nightmare.
Yukaphile wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:58 am
Yeah, because using a woman's body to conceive a child against her will is classic religion, isn't it? And I mean that unironically.
Isn't that basically what God does with Mary? I mean, most Christians don't think there was actual sex involved, but pregnancy and birth are pretty traumatic by themselves.
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Yukaphile wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:58 am
Yeah, because using a woman's body to conceive a child against her will is classic religion, isn't it? And I mean that unironically.
Isn't that basically what God does with Mary? I mean, most Christians don't think their was actual sex involved, but pregnancy and birth are pretty traumatic by themselves.
God was written by men not women. I'm not surprised he sees nothing wrong with it.
I can't remember for sure, but I do think there was supposed to have been an angel who appeared to Mary and asked her to take part in this whole virgin birth thing.
I thought it just showed up and told her it was going to happen. Granted, it's been a while since I read that or had anything to do with the Christian religion, but I thought it went that way rather than her being asked for her permission. The idea that God simply chose her seems to fit better with most of the other Bible stories I remember.
"Black care rarely sits behind a rider whose pace is fast enough."
-TR
I mean, the ancient Jews in Israel were kind of like Muslim countries today, where you could stone a rape victim to death or marry her off to her attacker - only so long as the family said so. It's no wonder God was such a woman-hating tyrant, lol.
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I find it funny how least some christians are so focused on using Old Testament to justify they beliefs while talking about things from New Testemant that they don't seem to carwe about. You know, part of Bible that they religion is based on and were Jesus is from.
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Admiral X wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:40 pm
I thought it just showed up and told her it was going to happen. Granted, it's been a while since I read that or had anything to do with the Christian religion, but I thought it went that way rather than her being asked for her permission. The idea that God simply chose her seems to fit better with most of the other Bible stories I remember.
It really depends on what version of that story you read. There are more than a houndred different bible versions in english alone. If you go check out how many there truely are in all languages, you'd quickly outpace your ability to comprehend the numbers with your everyday experience of scale.
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Fianna wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:02 pm
I can't remember for sure, but I do think there was supposed to have been an angel who appeared to Mary and asked her to take part in this whole virgin birth thing.
Exactly and She quoth be it unto me according to thy word which is Bible speak for I agree.
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