Evangelion 3.33 Review

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Utritum wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:17 am
FaxModem1 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:44 am Only going by the reviews, if I were to make a guess, this series is about the Christian apocalypse happening somehow. And instead of humanity just blindly accepting this, they used the power of human souls and giant robots to fight them. And for some reason, thought throwing teenagers into the giant robots was a good idea.
Honestly, it is less Christian Apocalypse and more 2001: A Space Odyssey. Yes, it was actually "ALIENS!" all along. Of course, this also complicated somewhat by the fact that, in the Eva-verse, the soul is a real tangible entity that be manipulated by science (although everything surrounding that is kind of vague).

The in-universe reason for the heavy use of Christian terminology, is that SEELE are a bunch of pretentious old hipster douchebags who like to dress their Doomsday Scheme up in Knights Templar LARPing and think that code-names based on Christian mythology sounds really quaint.

Of course, this is mostly going off the original series. There have evidently been quite a few changes to the mythology in the Rebuilds.
Sounds crazy and stupid, but okay.

So what about throwing teenagers into the suits? I know there's a stated thing about their moms being needed for the suits or something, but there are probably thousands of qualified pilots whose moms could be made into the necessary components for a giant robot.
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Your mom is so big, that one could make a giant kaiju-fighting mecha out of her!
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Ritchian wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:06 am"And for the love of God, DON'T LISTEN TO YOUR FATHER. He's an asshole."
If Shinji hadn't figured that out by Part 3 he never will.
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I'm about two decades removed from binging the original Eva series followed by End of Eva. So today I watched Chuck's reviews of Reboot!Eva 1-3.

Let's see: Aska is still a giant bitch, Shinji is still a whiny bitch, and the show is still weird as hell but at least they're not beating us to death with metaphysics...yet?

For a show that could have really made good use of a redo, the new Eva seems to have gotten some things right while still being a confusing mess full of unlikable characters.

Kaoru was an angel in the original, right? What is he this time - an artificial creation by Gendo?

Mari is an entertaining addition, although she seems almost pointless in Part 2 and should have probably just shown up in Part 3.
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FaxModem1 wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:23 pm
Utritum wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:17 am
FaxModem1 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:44 am Only going by the reviews, if I were to make a guess, this series is about the Christian apocalypse happening somehow. And instead of humanity just blindly accepting this, they used the power of human souls and giant robots to fight them. And for some reason, thought throwing teenagers into the giant robots was a good idea.
Honestly, it is less Christian Apocalypse and more 2001: A Space Odyssey. Yes, it was actually "ALIENS!" all along. Of course, this also complicated somewhat by the fact that, in the Eva-verse, the soul is a real tangible entity that be manipulated by science (although everything surrounding that is kind of vague).

The in-universe reason for the heavy use of Christian terminology, is that SEELE are a bunch of pretentious old hipster douchebags who like to dress their Doomsday Scheme up in Knights Templar LARPing and think that code-names based on Christian mythology sounds really quaint.

Of course, this is mostly going off the original series. There have evidently been quite a few changes to the mythology in the Rebuilds.
Sounds crazy and stupid, but okay.

So what about throwing teenagers into the suits? I know there's a stated thing about their moms being needed for the suits or something, but there are probably thousands of qualified pilots whose moms could be made into the necessary components for a giant robot.
I don't think we have had actual in-universe explanation beyond that it just happened to be they mothers that had they souls fused with EVAs for one reason or other like Shinji's mother dying in accident while building EVA involving some reactor and Asuka's mother having committed suicide after she had went crazy (yes, it happened) when Asuka was little. Then again what happened to Asuka's mother and things surrounding that no wonder Asuka is way she is.
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LavarosVA wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:06 pm This is Eva.You're not going to get a happy ending.
Not getting a happy ending is one thing, but getting a ending where you need a doctorate in psychology, philosophy and theology to understand is something else entirely.
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ran76 wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:33 am
LavarosVA wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:06 pm This is Eva.You're not going to get a happy ending.
Not getting a happy ending is one thing, but getting a ending where you need a doctorate in psychology, philosophy and theology to understand is something else entirely.
Yeah but phrasing it like that isn't as snappy.
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FaxModem1 wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:23 pmSounds crazy and stupid, but okay.

So what about throwing teenagers into the suits? I know there's a stated thing about their moms being needed for the suits or something, but there are probably thousands of qualified pilots whose moms could be made into the necessary components for a giant robot.
Eeeeaah, not quite. As I understand it, its not as simple as doing a seance and then stuffing the ghost of the mother into a phylactory when she shows up, they actually need physical access to the body either before the mother dies, or immediately after. Exactly what the grace period is we can't say, although End of Evangelion shows people whose bodies had died at least an hour earlier in the film getting pulled into The Rapture (or "Instrumentality," to use the show's own jargon, but its basically The Rapture). So there is a grace period where the soul lingers after death in Evangelion. But its not forever, death still matters in this franchise. In fact, it matters a lot.

The story is somewhat deconstructive (although this can easily be overstated, its also just trying to be a good psychological thriller) so it knows the Child Prodigy as Ace Pilot is an overused and silly idea that could go horribly wrong in a more realistic setting. So that becomes the whole point of the story. To justify it, its not just a matter of the technobabble, but also the actual plot. Shinji's mother didn't volunteer to become Unit 01, nor did she actually die like the mother of the pilot of Unit 03 (whose identity I won't spoil). It was an accident: they were poking around in the core of an angel (for science) and had no idea a human soul could be contained in one until after her disappearance in it. But Gendo knew that she was still alive, and throughout the show is seeking to get Yui back. This much is revealed slowly, of course, because the show plays out through the perspectives of the kids and Misato, none of whom are in on all the conspiracy stuff. Whats more, Gendo has to play a game of cat and mouse with his own backers, Seele, because whoever manages to cause the rapture first gets ultimate power over the results, and Gendo figures that's his ticket to reuniting with Yui. So for example, at one point Seele reveals that they have managed to actually create an autopilot system for the Evangelions, but because they aren't fully in his control like the kids are, Gendo initially keeps it in reserve as a mere override for when Shinji won't follow orders. Then when Unit 03 gets hijacked by an angel through the autopilot, Gendo has his opening to have them uninstalled completely (though not before using it to force Shinji to maim the pilot of Unit 03, of course, because Gendo is an ass).

Its subtle plotting like this that makes the original series so compelling, even if the Christian symbols are just a gaudy wallpaper that distracts from the far more significant Freudian symbolism that actually means something rather than literally nothing. Its just a shame that the company ran out of money so quickly that Anno and the rest of the staff were forced to rush everything out the door with fewer episodes than originally planned.
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Formless One wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:54 am
FaxModem1 wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:23 pmSounds crazy and stupid, but okay.

So what about throwing teenagers into the suits? I know there's a stated thing about their moms being needed for the suits or something, but there are probably thousands of qualified pilots whose moms could be made into the necessary components for a giant robot.
Eeeeaah, not quite. As I understand it, its not as simple as doing a seance and then stuffing the ghost of the mother into a phylactory when she shows up, they actually need physical access to the body either before the mother dies, or immediately after. Exactly what the grace period is we can't say, although End of Evangelion shows people whose bodies had died at least an hour earlier in the film getting pulled into The Rapture (or "Instrumentality," to use the show's own jargon, but its basically The Rapture). So there is a grace period where the soul lingers after death in Evangelion. But its not forever, death still matters in this franchise. In fact, it matters a lot.

The story is somewhat deconstructive (although this can easily be overstated, its also just trying to be a good psychological thriller) so it knows the Child Prodigy as Ace Pilot is an overused and silly idea that could go horribly wrong in a more realistic setting. So that becomes the whole point of the story. To justify it, its not just a matter of the technobabble, but also the actual plot. Shinji's mother didn't volunteer to become Unit 01, nor did she actually die like the mother of the pilot of Unit 03 (whose identity I won't spoil). It was an accident: they were poking around in the core of an angel (for science) and had no idea a human soul could be contained in one until after her disappearance in it. But Gendo knew that she was still alive, and throughout the show is seeking to get Yui back. This much is revealed slowly, of course, because the show plays out through the perspectives of the kids and Misato, none of whom are in on all the conspiracy stuff. Whats more, Gendo has to play a game of cat and mouse with his own backers, Seele, because whoever manages to cause the rapture first gets ultimate power over the results, and Gendo figures that's his ticket to reuniting with Yui. So for example, at one point Seele reveals that they have managed to actually create an autopilot system for the Evangelions, but because they aren't fully in his control like the kids are, Gendo initially keeps it in reserve as a mere override for when Shinji won't follow orders. Then when Unit 03 gets hijacked by an angel through the autopilot, Gendo has his opening to have them uninstalled completely (though not before using it to force Shinji to maim the pilot of Unit 03, of course, because Gendo is an ass).

Its subtle plotting like this that makes the original series so compelling, even if the Christian symbols are just a gaudy wallpaper that distracts from the far more significant Freudian symbolism that actually means something rather than literally nothing. Its just a shame that the company ran out of money so quickly that Anno and the rest of the staff were forced to rush everything out the door with fewer episodes than originally planned.
I never saw an answer for unit 03's soul. Because as far as I knew the pilots parents were just fine.
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The biggest mystery is still, what kind of person Yui must have been, to have a relation and child with someone like Gendo.
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