Areas where you'd respectfully disagree with Chuck

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There can be an Atlantis in the same way there can be a Hogwarts. It was made up for the purpose of a story. Even if you find a city that sunk, went to war with Athens, and worshiped Poseiden it wouldn't be Atlantis. Because Plato made it up. Finding places that match similar criteria at best shows Plato took inspiration from a real place, it doesn't make the place he wrote about real. Brittannia from Code Geass isn't real because it's based on British and American imperialism.
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His defense of Superman’s potrayal in JLU. I don’t think Superman is or should be perfect, but the guy in JLU is just a stupid, unstable asshole, who constantly let’s himself be easily manipulated. The Cadmus story arc is great, but it absolutely throws his character under the bus to work. I don’t think this is case of „oh, he’s losing himself, but it’s still him“, he’s constantly like that and with little provocation.
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TrueMetis wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:03 am There can be an Atlantis in the same way there can be a Hogwarts. It was made up for the purpose of a story. Even if you find a city that sunk, went to war with Athens, and worshiped Poseiden it wouldn't be Atlantis. Because Plato made it up. Finding places that match similar criteria at best shows Plato took inspiration from a real place, it doesn't make the place he wrote about real. Brittannia from Code Geass isn't real because it's based on British and American imperialism.
some place †hat gave Plato inspiration is close enough to a real Atlantis.
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As dear to my heart as Homura is, I've got to disagree with Chuck regarding her turn to the darkside in Rebellion. While it is true that love is an emotion that can be both selfless and selfish, she was leaning more to the selfish side than he realized.
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Strejdaking wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:54 am His defense of Superman’s potrayal in JLU. I don’t think Superman is or should be perfect, but the guy in JLU is just a stupid, unstable asshole, who constantly let’s himself be easily manipulated. The Cadmus story arc is great, but it absolutely throws his character under the bus to work. I don’t think this is case of „oh, he’s losing himself, but it’s still him“, he’s constantly like that and with little provocation.
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PapaPalpatine wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:46 am As dear to my heart as Homura is, I've got to disagree with Chuck regarding her turn to the darkside in Rebellion. While it is true that love is an emotion that can be both selfless and selfish, she was leaning more to the selfish side than he realized.
I would even go so far and say that she had pretty much become obsessed over Madoka. After all she did keep turning back time for Madoka so many times that it effected Madoka's karma. Way I have understood it (but I could be wrong) all those times Homura only thought about saving Madoka instead of saving world.
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Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:37 pm
TrueMetis wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:03 am There can be an Atlantis in the same way there can be a Hogwarts. It was made up for the purpose of a story. Even if you find a city that sunk, went to war with Athens, and worshiped Poseiden it wouldn't be Atlantis. Because Plato made it up. Finding places that match similar criteria at best shows Plato took inspiration from a real place, it doesn't make the place he wrote about real. Brittannia from Code Geass isn't real because it's based on British and American imperialism.
some place †hat gave Plato inspiration is close enough to a real Atlantis.
I feel it was the legend tales of the Minoans is what Atlantis was based on. So I don't believe Atlantis is a lost continent or even in the Atlantic, but a real island (Crete) with real people who had a flourishing civilization that collapsed more than a thousand years before Plato was ever around to think about it. There is probably no way to square this circle, but I feel this is the best theory.
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Robovski wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:47 am
Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:37 pm
TrueMetis wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:03 am There can be an Atlantis in the same way there can be a Hogwarts. It was made up for the purpose of a story. Even if you find a city that sunk, went to war with Athens, and worshiped Poseiden it wouldn't be Atlantis. Because Plato made it up. Finding places that match similar criteria at best shows Plato took inspiration from a real place, it doesn't make the place he wrote about real. Brittannia from Code Geass isn't real because it's based on British and American imperialism.
some place †hat gave Plato inspiration is close enough to a real Atlantis.
I feel it was the legend tales of the Minoans is what Atlantis was based on. So I don't believe Atlantis is a lost continent or even in the Atlantic, but a real island (Crete) with real people who had a flourishing civilization that collapsed more than a thousand years before Plato was ever around to think about it. There is probably no way to square this circle, but I feel this is the best theory.
I'm honestly inclined to go with that Atlantis is wholy fictional, taking inspiration from prior myths like Gilgamesh and Noah (flood myths are very popular around the world). Any historical precedent is garbled beyond recognition if it exists.
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TGLS wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:43 pmI'm honestly inclined to go with that Atlantis is wholy fictional, taking inspiration from prior myths like Gilgamesh and Noah (flood myths are very popular around the world). Any historical precedent is garbled beyond recognition if it exists.
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There's evidence of early neolithic societies in modern day France, that had access to and used pottery made in Mesopotamia, for example. If wares of any kind can travel even in a time where most people hadn't even started to settle down yet, then so do stories. Catastrophic flodding events are a constant in every part of the world, be that that the land between Tigris and Euphrates, the Nile, the Yellow River or even islands, like Santorini and Crete or even entire landscapes, like the Black Sea and Doggerland, then there's little reason to not believe, that stories shared as such, became a mighty singular flood in the human perception at some point over time. There's not one Atlantis. There are thousands.
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There's also the "Sea Peoples" who attacked ancient Egypt at one point.
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