Stargate SG-1: Hathor

[Yukaphile]

Yeah, and what happened to poor Sha're... really. Seriously, early Stargate seems like the battlefields of Eastern Europe in WWII. It's just nothing but endless rape. And that's not my idea of fun. It seems like just being "edgy" for the sake of being "edgy," thinking that makes it more adult now the restrictions are gone that are placed on most sci-fi.

[Jonathan101]

Gotta agree with Chuck's views here. Hell, the "one gender dominates another gender with mind control" idea was something I seriously disliked in the JLU episode with that crazy bitch who wanted to wipe out humanity. Now, that could be an interesting plot line, but the problem is they never cite what specifically men would theoretically be guilty of, ie being pigs or having the highest body counts in any sense of the world throughout history over women, and that without men, women die off too, thus... no, it feels limp-wristed and weak. A genocidal woman wanting to murder all men could work. But the way the JLU handled it offended me. As to this, well...

It was Justice League, not Justice League Unlimited. That came later.

She never used mind control on the men, or the women, or anyone. She kept the Injustice Gang loyal by virtue of being less of a d*ck than their last boss, Lex Luthor. Her plan was to wipe out or at least decimate men, but not all of humanity, and given she comes from a society of immortal women who have magical ways of reproducing the ensuing population problem might be a non-issue to her, assuming she was actually trying to kill all men and not "only" most of them anyway.

Her plan and motivations did make sense, because she's more of a commentary on the flaws of Themyscira and Amazonian society than on the actual failings of mankind- namely that, as Hawkgirl points out, they more or less teach that men are worthy of hatred. They didn't really need to cite what men would be guilty of since the badness of mans' world comes up in almost every Amazon-centred story anyway.

It wasn't the best story JL ever did, but it wasn't that bad, and it didn't play out the way you are saying it did.

[Yukaphile]

I know, but most people treat them as the same, and you can't fight the stupidity of most people, so what can you do?

Well then the story should have made that clearer. Again, they never really establish any legitimate reasons someone might have for wanting to kill off half the population (Chapter Black firmly lays out why Sensui is so bitter and disillusioned to the point you can feel yourself agreeing with him at times, because it's all true), and as far as I recall, they never discuss the larger population problems past "this would be wrong." And then it ends on a Flash belching joke, as if to prove men are pigs. Wonderful.

There is no motivation past "bitches be crazy." I dunno, I'm so used to depth in this kind of plot, that the lack of it here is very glaring.

[Mecha82]

Gotta agree with Chuck's views here. Hell, the "one gender dominates another gender with mind control" idea was something I seriously disliked in the JLU episode with that crazy bitch who wanted to wipe out humanity. Now, that could be an interesting plot line, but the problem is they never cite what specifically men would theoretically be guilty of, ie being pigs or having the highest body counts in any sense of the world throughout history over women, and that without men, women die off too, thus... no, it feels limp-wristed and weak. A genocidal woman wanting to murder all men could work. But the way the JLU handled it offended me. As to this, well...

It was Justice League, not Justice League Unlimited. That came later.

She never used mind control on the men, or the women, or anyone. She kept the Injustice Gang loyal by virtue of being less of a d*ck than their last boss, Lex Luthor. Her plan was to wipe out or at least decimate men, but not all of humanity, and given she comes from a society of immortal women who have magical ways of reproducing the ensuing population problem might be a non-issue to her, assuming she was actually trying to kill all men and not "only" most of them anyway.

Her plan and motivations did make sense, because she's more of a commentary on the flaws of Themyscira and Amazonian society than on the actual failings of mankind- namely that, as Hawkgirl points out, they more or less teach that men are worthy of hatred. They didn't really need to cite what men would be guilty of since the badness of mans' world comes up in almost every Amazon-centred story anyway.

It wasn't the best story JL ever did, but it wasn't that bad, and it didn't play out the way you are saying it did.

It was also tied to her backstory how she ended up on Themyscira. WW's mom pretty much had to explain to that villain that it was man (Captain of the ship that was sunk that she had been on) who sacrificed his own life to save her's and that her hatred of men was unjustified. While Amazons don't trust men they don't actually hate men either even if it would be justified considering they backstory and what they went trough before given Themyscira to live on.

[clearspira]

It was the late nineties. They were never going to show women falling for Hathor. That stuff only existed in porn at the time. Or "artsy" media. Nothing "mainstream."

And anyway, even today most lesbian scenes on TV aren't for representation, they are to titilate the male audience. That's why lesbians kissing significantly outnumber gay men kissing.

[Poipoi]

GI Joe did something similar and they did it better. Not by much... but at least none of the characters were raped and almost got MPreg.

[Yukaphile]

@clearspira Sadly...

[PapaPalpatine]

"Character Points in Mind Control, gender specific limitation."

I didn't know Chuck played Champions. Personally, I'm more into 5th Edition Revised; not a big fan of some of the changes Steve Long made in 6th.

[Mecha82]

GI Joe did something similar and they did it better. Not by much... but at least none of the characters were raped and almost got MPreg.

Oh right that episode were Destro gave Baroness episode's McGuffin that she then used both fight G.I. Joe as well as take over Cobra. In that episode we also saw some women among Cobra Troopers (it was before Vipers become thing).

[Deledrius]

Unfortunately, this awful story premise still rears its ugly head in modern TV. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. did this in their first season, which was otherwise stellar. And they played every single stupid note you could with the sexist-idiot plot, too. The only good thing about that episode was that it brought Lady Sif into the show. The worst part about an awful episode like this was that part of it ended up being relevant to some character revelations later in the series... so it's not even strictly skippable.

SG-1 had the good sense to ignore as much of Hathor as it could.