Boris Johnson is the new British Prime Minister

[Antiboyscout]

I suspect people are going to dispute the idea the EU is going to collapse.

And the idea that getting out early would be helpful, as in or out of the EU the UK's economy is inextricably tied to them so an EU collapse is going to hit them like a ton of bricks whether they are in or out of the EU, and leaving behind the EU when there is a US president that believes economics is zero sum is a fantastically stupid move, potentially locking them into worse deals than those leaving later would get.

The point of the EU is to tie the economies of europe together. That's like saying it's a bad idea to get a divorce because you share a bank account with your spouse. You share the account BECAUSE you got married. That's what the single market and heavy regulations do.

How in the hell is leaving later and being lumped together with a dozen equally desperate countries after the collapse supposed to let the UK get a BETTER deal?

[clearspira]

Nigel Farage is the British Donald Trump (minus the billions of dollars).

Boris Johnson is more like the British Newt Ginrich. With less achievements.

Trump himself came out and agreed that Boris is indeed the British Trump. Take that what you will.

[Jonathan101]

Nigel Farage is the British Donald Trump (minus the billions of dollars).

Boris Johnson is more like the British Newt Ginrich. With less achievements.

Trump himself came out and agreed that Boris is indeed the British Trump. Take that what you will.

I make of that Trump talking out of his backside. Again.

[Antiboyscout]

Do i need to reiterate on why the EU is going to collapse and why crashing out early is a good idea?

Yes. The EU is going to go through a rocky patch but there aren't any really serious signs of it being likely to collapse (not that I'm particularly keen on the organisation and have no qualms with leaving it).

The EU is mostly performing delaying actions not solving problems. The Greece problem for instance was "solved" by having Germany bail them out in perpetuity. As long as Greece doesn't get worse and German banks stay strong Armageddon could be put off for a long time. Too bad german banks themselves are warning of impending collapse. Do to demographics, working germans are starting to retire and thus are no longer saving money, and because nobody is having kids, there are no young germans taking out loans. If banks aren't lending or saving how do they function? They mostly don't.

That is only one problem and one possible outcome. It would be shorter to list the ways the EU could survive.

[Draco Dracul]

I suspect people are going to dispute the idea the EU is going to collapse.

And the idea that getting out early would be helpful, as in or out of the EU the UK's economy is inextricably tied to them so an EU collapse is going to hit them like a ton of bricks whether they are in or out of the EU, and leaving behind the EU when there is a US president that believes economics is zero sum is a fantastically stupid move, potentially locking them into worse deals than those leaving later would get.

The point of the EU is to tie the economies of europe together. That's like saying it's a bad idea to get a divorce because you share a bank account with your spouse. You share the account BECAUSE you got married. That's what the single market and heavy regulations do.

And because the UK's biggest trading partner is the EU, they are still going to bound by those regulations, with no way of affecting them, until the time of the collapse. Geography means that the UK's trade is going to be primarily with other European countries, and the even most of the trade

How in the hell is leaving later and being lumped together with a dozen equally desperate countries after the collapse supposed to let the UK get a BETTER deal?

I mean for one it means only one collapse instead of two. For another it would mean the potential to keep the EU name and operate on the many favorable trade deals negotiated by the EU.

[Antiboyscout]

I suspect people are going to dispute the idea the EU is going to collapse.

And the idea that getting out early would be helpful, as in or out of the EU the UK's economy is inextricably tied to them so an EU collapse is going to hit them like a ton of bricks whether they are in or out of the EU, and leaving behind the EU when there is a US president that believes economics is zero sum is a fantastically stupid move, potentially locking them into worse deals than those leaving later would get.

The point of the EU is to tie the economies of europe together. That's like saying it's a bad idea to get a divorce because you share a bank account with your spouse. You share the account BECAUSE you got married. That's what the single market and heavy regulations do.

And because the UK's biggest trading partner is the EU, they are still going to bound by those regulations, with no way of affecting them, until the time of the collapse. Geography means that the UK's trade is going to be primarily with other European countries, and the even most of the trade

How in the hell is leaving later and being lumped together with a dozen equally desperate countries after the collapse supposed to let the UK get a BETTER deal?

I mean for one it means only one collapse instead of two. For another it would mean the potential to keep the EU name and operate on the many favorable trade deals negotiated by the EU.

What second collapse? When the EU goes a lot of scared desperate money will be looking for any safe haven they can. A whole lot of money will flood into the UK banks, and being detached from the EU system only makes the UK a safer bet.

[Riedquat]

The EU is mostly performing delaying actions not solving problems. The Greece problem for instance was "solved" by having Germany bail them out in perpetuity. As long as Greece doesn't get worse and German banks stay strong Armageddon could be put off for a long time. Too bad german banks themselves are warning of impending collapse. Do to demographics, working germans are starting to retire and thus are no longer saving money, and because nobody is having kids, there are no young germans taking out loans. If banks aren't lending or saving how do they function? They mostly don't.

That is only one problem and one possible outcome. It would be shorter to list the ways the EU could survive.

<shrug> The demographic issue of not having a replacement number of children is better than the populaiton pyramid scheme of having more than that, a lot better. It's just that it's a big improvement in the long term with a bit of difficulty in the long term (and economies that rely on debt to the extent that they currently do are broken anyway). What all this means is that things can't keep working as they currently are. That doesn't mean that the alternative is collapse, with no-one adapting.

[Draco Dracul]

I suspect people are going to dispute the idea the EU is going to collapse.

And the idea that getting out early would be helpful, as in or out of the EU the UK's economy is inextricably tied to them so an EU collapse is going to hit them like a ton of bricks whether they are in or out of the EU, and leaving behind the EU when there is a US president that believes economics is zero sum is a fantastically stupid move, potentially locking them into worse deals than those leaving later would get.

The point of the EU is to tie the economies of europe together. That's like saying it's a bad idea to get a divorce because you share a bank account with your spouse. You share the account BECAUSE you got married. That's what the single market and heavy regulations do.

And because the UK's biggest trading partner is the EU, they are still going to bound by those regulations, with no way of affecting them, until the time of the collapse. Geography means that the UK's trade is going to be primarily with other European countries, and the even most of the trade

How in the hell is leaving later and being lumped together with a dozen equally desperate countries after the collapse supposed to let the UK get a BETTER deal?

I mean for one it means only one collapse instead of two. For another it would mean the potential to keep the EU name and operate on the many favorable trade deals negotiated by the EU.

What second collapse? When the EU goes a lot of scared desperate money will be looking for any safe haven they can. A whole lot of money will flood into the UK banks, and being detached from the EU system only makes the UK a safer bet.

The second collapse caused by the UK having nowhere to send its exports. Additionally, if the former EU is a mess, why put your money in a nation that by geography will always be tied to the EU? Why not take it to the US or one of the many Caribbean tax havens instead? And even then it's dependent on Brexit not completely gutting the British banking industry.

[Riedquat]

The second collapse caused by the UK having nowhere to send its exports. Additionally, if the former EU is a mess, why put your money in a nation that by geography will always be tied to the EU? Why not take it to the US or one of the many Caribbean tax havens instead? And even then it's dependent on Brexit not completely gutting the British banking industry.

Nowhere? The countries involved will all still exist and want to trade (in any case the UK imports rather more than it exports). A big problem with a lot of the EU discussions is that they seem to revolve around extremes - trade as is or no trade for example, nothing in between, and fail to differentiate between the EU and its members as individual sovereign nations in their own right (which doesn't exactly endear it to some).

[Yukaphile]

What's really upsetting is how history and trends repeat worldwide, regardless of ethnic or national background. For the BREXIT thing, I see a huge case of buyers' remorse. Hell, I heard people who had abstained from voting would have considered doing so if they had known this would be the result. Then come a few months later, and people regretted not voting when the choices were literally Trump and the woman the corporate media and the right-wing institutions spent 30 years tearing down to prevent precisely this from happening. It's really sad and predictable. I'm tired of it. It's why I've given up trying to fight for humanity. Let humanity take care of itself. I only care about those close to me.