While not asking at all was a mistake - probably more likely a writers oversight or it was edited out for some reason - I doubt that asking Q to get them home would have mattered any. Like it or not, Voyager did actually do a lot of good in the Delta Quadrant, despite all of the short term mayhem caused. Regardless of how you feel about it, they dealt some major blows to the Borg, they stopped the Krenim from wrecking history with their temporal cannon, they eased the potential omnicidal wrath of Species 8472...these are all things that Voyager stumbled into that had been happening for a while already, and while it caused short term disaster, sometimes that’s exactly what’s needed to actually get things *moving*. Like that guy who was mad at Voyager for helping the Borg, he and his people were staying one step ahead of them for who knows how long, and it seemed like they were *complacent* about it, that they could keep it up for the foreseeable future. And they were willing to let the rest of the galaxy burn to continue on that track.
People - whole species even - get used to the status quo, and never move forward, until something comes along to disrupt said status quo. That’s how evolution happens.
And that is what the Q could consider Voyager to be - the disaster necessary to move this corner of the galaxy forward.
While not asking at all was a mistake - probably more likely a writers oversight or it was edited out for some reason - I doubt that asking Q to get them home would have mattered any. Like it or not, Voyager did actually do a lot of good in the Delta Quadrant, despite all of the short term mayhem caused. Regardless of how you feel about it, they dealt some major blows to the Borg, they stopped the Krenim from wrecking history with their temporal cannon, they eased the potential omnicidal wrath of Species 8472...these are all things that Voyager stumbled into that had been happening for a while already, and while it caused short term disaster, sometimes that’s exactly what’s needed to actually get things *moving*. Like that guy who was mad at Voyager for helping the Borg, he and his people were staying one step ahead of them for who knows how long, and it seemed like they were *complacent* about it, that they could keep it up for the foreseeable future. And they were willing to let the rest of the galaxy burn to continue on that track.
People - whole species even - get used to the status quo, and never move forward, until something comes along to disrupt said status quo. That’s how evolution happens.
And that is what the Q could consider Voyager to be - the disaster necessary to move this corner of the galaxy forward.
clearspira wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:17 pm
There an episode where we meet the people who made the Kazon a power and we were presented with that possibility... and it doesn't happen. I believe Chuck (and the Agony Booth) noted that was probably the moment that Berman-era Trek died. There were films, there was Enterprise, but they were all the same Next Generation patented turd with a different paint job.
For those wondering, the episode (and review) is called "Alliances" and I definitely agree.
No love for DS9's fifth season then?
Deep Space Nine was a masterpiece (seasons one and seven notwithstanding) but I don't see what it could possibly have done to make up for Voyager's decision to wallow in mediocrity.
It's just that I'd consider DS9 to be Berman-era Trek, and its last three seasons came after "Alliances."
CrypticMirror wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:32 pm
It ain't just the way they went through shuttles, but where they stored them all in the first place. Voyager's shuttlebay is not large. Just having Neelix's "Free Candy"-van in there ought to have filled it up. And then they go and cram in the Delta Flyer, which is pretty much as big as a runabout, and before that they had all the speedboat shaped shuttles and at least one of the TNG era blocky ones, how did these all fit?
Ex Astris Scientia has a wonderful article on this. TL;DR, going by every measurement and on-screen image we can, that shuttlebay must either have TARDIS-like proportions or the Delta Flyer and the shuttles have to be smaller than the visual effects and the technical manual claims they are (both being barely smaller than the actual shuttlebay itself.) Both are greatly unsatisfactory answers.
TNG had the opposite problem, IIRC. The Big-D's main shuttle bay alone ought to have been cavernous, but it hardly ever seemed to be more than a small pod. Maybe Q stole all its size to give to Voyager. Makes as much sense as anything else, I guess.
For at least a while, they have to have had a Runabout in there somewhere, until it got blown up in "Timescape" anyways.
While not asking at all was a mistake - probably more likely a writers oversight or it was edited out for some reason - I doubt that asking Q to get them home would have mattered any. Like it or not, Voyager did actually do a lot of good in the Delta Quadrant, despite all of the short term mayhem caused. Regardless of how you feel about it, they dealt some major blows to the Borg
They prevented some major blows to the Borg by helping them against 8472.
they stopped the Krenim from wrecking history with their temporal cannon,
Granting this one, but...
they eased the potential omnicidal wrath of Species 8472
They provoked the potential omnicidal wrath of Species 8472! If they hadn't improbably stumbled across that infiltration training camp later on, it would have been war.
While not asking at all was a mistake - probably more likely a writers oversight or it was edited out for some reason - I doubt that asking Q to get them home would have mattered any. Like it or not, Voyager did actually do a lot of good in the Delta Quadrant, despite all of the short term mayhem caused. Regardless of how you feel about it, they dealt some major blows to the Borg
They prevented some major blows to the Borg by helping them against 8472.
they stopped the Krenim from wrecking history with their temporal cannon,
Granting this one, but...
they eased the potential omnicidal wrath of Species 8472
They provoked the potential omnicidal wrath of Species 8472! If they hadn't improbably stumbled across that infiltration training camp later on, it would have been war.
No, I'm never gonna let this one go.
8472 was already on a tear across Borg space and there’s no indication they would stop at the Borg. If they could get *so much information* about the Federation, and Federation HQ in San Francisco, to the point of recreating *Boothby*, how could they have *possibly* missed that the Federation was *fighting* the Borg? That requires either *deliberate* misinformation on the part of the Borg, who are the only ones they could have gotten such information from, thanks to the many assimilated Starfleet personnel - and why would the Borg lie in their own information? - Or 8472 thought that every species assimilated by the Borg was working with the Borg by choice, in which case half of the galaxy was on their hit list.
The only alternative to those possibilities is that whoever leads 8472 knew, yet misled their own people in favor of a war of extermination. Basically, the only thing that makes sense, considering they have SO much information about Starfleet Headquarters and Starfleet Academy, is that they knew the Federation was innocent, *and did not care*, despite what they told Voyager.
While not asking at all was a mistake - probably more likely a writers oversight or it was edited out for some reason - I doubt that asking Q to get them home would have mattered any. Like it or not, Voyager did actually do a lot of good in the Delta Quadrant, despite all of the short term mayhem caused. Regardless of how you feel about it, they dealt some major blows to the Borg, they stopped the Krenim from wrecking history with their temporal cannon, they eased the potential omnicidal wrath of Species 8472...these are all things that Voyager stumbled into that had been happening for a while already, and while it caused short term disaster, sometimes that’s exactly what’s needed to actually get things *moving*. Like that guy who was mad at Voyager for helping the Borg, he and his people were staying one step ahead of them for who knows how long, and it seemed like they were *complacent* about it, that they could keep it up for the foreseeable future. And they were willing to let the rest of the galaxy burn to continue on that track.
People - whole species even - get used to the status quo, and never move forward, until something comes along to disrupt said status quo. That’s how evolution happens.
And that is what the Q could consider Voyager to be - the disaster necessary to move this corner of the galaxy forward.
Don't let the Vorlons hear you talking like that.
I think even the Vorlons are in favor of the younger races actually progressing and not just stagnating for a thousand years
Kendrakirai wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:37 am and required about five times the budget Voyager had. You know, the show that couldn’t even afford a *matte painting* in The 37s? How do you imagine a flotilla of ships, the aliens, the battles, would look on the budget Voyager had?
It's funny because what they spent on the opening credits was equivalent to the budget of like half a season of B5.
Kendrakirai wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:37 am and required about five times the budget Voyager had. You know, the show that couldn’t even afford a *matte painting* in The 37s? How do you imagine a flotilla of ships, the aliens, the battles, would look on the budget Voyager had?
It's funny because what they spent on the opening credits was equivalent to the budget of like half a season of B5.
Which explains how most of the ships in B5 looked, and the poor compositing in...uh....the recent one Chuck did. The Hunt? Something hunt. Also, you always spend a lot on the opening, it’s *there* to look good and sell the show.
Kendrakirai wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:37 am and required about five times the budget Voyager had. You know, the show that couldn’t even afford a *matte painting* in The 37s? How do you imagine a flotilla of ships, the aliens, the battles, would look on the budget Voyager had?
It's funny because what they spent on the opening credits was equivalent to the budget of like half a season of B5.
Which explains how most of the ships in B5 looked, and the poor compositing in...uh....the recent one Chuck did. The Hunt? Something hunt. Also, you always spend a lot on the opening, it’s *there* to look good and sell the show.
It's more complicated. The series was shot in 4X3 CGI due to cost and then moved over to 35mm film. All the CGI material was saved to an Exabyte backup tape, that could be used to upgrade the effects for later release and syndication when the cost of conversion would be more affordable. The tape was given to Warner Brothers for safe keeping. Warner Brothers lost the tapes so all we have are the 35mm film images for the CGI work and they do not translate well. There's a pretty good explanation here https://b5books.com/2017/05/02/babylon-5-blu-ray-will-probably-never-happen/
