Something I don't get (Stargate discussion)

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McAvoy wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:41 am Honestly, it never made sense to me either to be that over confident. A slight tweak to the script could have made it a little better by saying 'this is the best we have and we are not sure if it will work but we have to try anyway'.

Ground combat by the Jaffa is pretty bad but probably grounded in tradition in using the staffs. It took Teal'c a while to go to the conventional guns over his staff too.

Kinda would have been cool if some smart Gould redesigned the staff in the same configuration as a rifle that shit smaller bolts and at a higher rate.
They were specifically designed to be terror weapons versus actual use, as shown in that episode where they actually compare the staff versus a P90. It’s great for smiting the unbelievers with a bolt of righteous fire, but poor for actually doing battle against people who actually had weapons of war.

I’m sure the Goa’uld also prevented the Jaffa from developing any other, better weapons because this way they had a harder time rebelling.
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Basically, the Jaffa tended to function more as jailors or slave overseers rather than soldiers. Just as a slavedriver's whip isn't the ideal tool for open warfare, neither is a Jaffa staff.
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Kendrakirai wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:29 am
McAvoy wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:41 am Honestly, it never made sense to me either to be that over confident. A slight tweak to the script could have made it a little better by saying 'this is the best we have and we are not sure if it will work but we have to try anyway'.

Ground combat by the Jaffa is pretty bad but probably grounded in tradition in using the staffs. It took Teal'c a while to go to the conventional guns over his staff too.

Kinda would have been cool if some smart Gould redesigned the staff in the same configuration as a rifle that shit smaller bolts and at a higher rate.
They were specifically designed to be terror weapons versus actual use, as shown in that episode where they actually compare the staff versus a P90. It’s great for smiting the unbelievers with a bolt of righteous fire, but poor for actually doing battle against people who actually had weapons of war.

I’m sure the Goa’uld also prevented the Jaffa from developing any other, better weapons because this way they had a harder time rebelling.
Definitely true. Weapon for war vs. weapon for terror.

The other thing is how the Jaffa are portrayed. Yes Teal'c is portrayed as a special case as being stronger than most Jaffa if not all of them. But they were supposed to be portrayed as being stronger than a human. Same goes for the Gould but the series showed humans being capable of taking them down too easily.

On another note, still can't fathom why they decided to do three sided Hataks that were supposed to land on four sided pyramids.
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McAvoy wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:33 am
Kendrakirai wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:29 am
McAvoy wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:41 am Honestly, it never made sense to me either to be that over confident. A slight tweak to the script could have made it a little better by saying 'this is the best we have and we are not sure if it will work but we have to try anyway'.

Ground combat by the Jaffa is pretty bad but probably grounded in tradition in using the staffs. It took Teal'c a while to go to the conventional guns over his staff too.

Kinda would have been cool if some smart Gould redesigned the staff in the same configuration as a rifle that shit smaller bolts and at a higher rate.
They were specifically designed to be terror weapons versus actual use, as shown in that episode where they actually compare the staff versus a P90. It’s great for smiting the unbelievers with a bolt of righteous fire, but poor for actually doing battle against people who actually had weapons of war.

I’m sure the Goa’uld also prevented the Jaffa from developing any other, better weapons because this way they had a harder time rebelling.
Definitely true. Weapon for war vs. weapon for terror.

The other thing is how the Jaffa are portrayed. Yes Teal'c is portrayed as a special case as being stronger than most Jaffa if not all of them. But they were supposed to be portrayed as being stronger than a human. Same goes for the Gould but the series showed humans being capable of taking them down too easily.

On another note, still can't fathom why they decided to do three sided Hataks that were supposed to land on four sided pyramids.
Stargate was great at neutering it's enemies for little reason. The wraith males completely lost their telepathy quickly, and where once they could tank a p90, they eventually could be killed with a few shots from an m9. They tried to justify it with saying that hungry wraith are weaker than wraith who have just fed, but that was not employed consistantly.
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It’s hard to gauge your enemies strength early on, as a writer, especially when you can’t go back and edit previous ‘chapters’ to fit what you realize later about them being too strong, so all you can really do is try to future proof with believable excuses.

Done fairly well, it’s the Goa’uld. Done badly, it’s the Borg in Voyager.
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The Borg got nerfed in Voyager, but that is a result of Voyager the series overall.

I forgot about the Wraith. I can buy the notion that they were starving or hungry later in the seasons since at least there is a built in reason.
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Something else I don't get. The ending to "The Curse." It's a normal episode, not a two-parter, or part of a longer story arc. So from what I've read ahead, what the hell happened when they flew away from the dig site on the spaceship? It's the same with Jack having revealed he arrested Maybourne after the fact. What the hell?
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