High and low points of the Disney canon, discuss it

[Captain Crimson]

High point everything with Kylo in TLJ. Low point bringing back Palpatine.

Yeah, Mr. Driver is a badass.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

By terms of Kylo Ren and Rey, the first movie had a pretty tempting conflict between the two. Any fan that was pissed about her hasty force arc was prescriptively written into Ren in that last fight.

The Last Jedi was a very kindling continuation of it. If Kylo Ren had an apparent struggle ahead of him by the end of the movie, or if he had some influence over the First Order making him a sensitive subject in the overall struggle, then it could have been more intriguing. They cut him loose for the third movie to be a recluse.

[Riedquat]

High points? I suppose Takodana, since I'm so familiar with the scenery (my grandparents lived pretty much slap bang in the middle of the scenes used in the long shots), although it did make it a bit hard to suspend disbelief for an alien world. Low points, all the things in the TLJ which willing suspension of disbelief couldn't cope with (started in the opening space battle).

[ChrisTheLovableJerk]

One real low point is Disney's meddling. The newest episode of TCW is a prime example of it.

Okay, so here me out. The Ahsoka/Spice arc was supposed to take place before the events of the Dark Disciple novel and the Son of Dathomir comic, with the comic's events being placed halfway through the novel. Keep in mind these were all supposed to be episodes of TCW.

Yet the newest episode, Together Again, showed Maul to be free, so this means this obviously happened after Son of Dathomir where the Shadow Collective freed Maul...yet the Collective falls apart in that arc and the Pykes abandon Maul, yet this episode show the Collective is still around and the Pykes still work for Maul. Also, by the time Son of Dathomir happens, Marg Krim is supposed to be dead (or at the very least implied to be) according to the Dark Disciple novel.

So, what happened? My bet is that as a result of Disney's meddling, Maul was shoehorned into this arc when it was supposed to be Krim answering to Ziton Moj, Rook Kast and Gar Saxon, and they were conspiring to free Maul from Stygion Prime, possibly holding Krim's wife and children hostage to keep him in line which would explain why the Pykes and the Black Sun were fighting when they're supposed to be in the same group. Is the story group even around anymore?

What happened? Disney was too cheap to let them animate Son of Dathomir, there's no other explanation, since why wouldn't they let a pretty important part of the story be animated unless they weren't willing to pay for more than 12 episodes? Plus, it would mean paying Ray Stevenson to guest star as Saxon, and they didn't want to spend more money after the failures of Solo, Resistance and Galaxy's Edge as well as TROS under preforming has put them in the red

I suppose one could argue that it's been rewritten to be that Maul somehow got the collective back together after he got his ass handed to him by Palpatine, Dooku and Grievous in SoD, but that doesn't really make that much sense.

[Captain Crimson]

with the comic's events being placed halfway through the novel. Keep in mind these were all supposed to be episodes of TCW.

This is something you gotta just roll with if you're consuming Disney Star Wars. I mean, even people like Mr. Martin and Mr. Hidalgo have said continuity is fluid and too hard to maintain at this point and doesn't matter. "Canon" is flexible. Meaning, you gotta expect a high level of retcons here. Unless they get better management. Though I find it hard to believe this is not Dave Filoni's own doing, given how watered down Rebels is.

[ChrisTheLovableJerk]

This is something you gotta just roll with if you're consuming Disney Star Wars. I mean, even people like Mr. Martin and Mr. Hidalgo have said continuity is fluid and too hard to maintain at this point and doesn't matter. "Canon" is flexible. Meaning, you gotta expect a high level of retcons here. Unless they get better management. Though I find it hard to believe this is not Dave Filoni's own doing, given how watered down Rebels is.

What Hidalgo and Martin mean is they're too lazy to do their jobs properly. Someone please fire them. Personally, I think it's fairly obvious it's more Disney's fault if anything. Rebels couldn't be as violent or look as good as TCW because of Disey's cheapness. They probably chose which episodes got animated, and I don't doubt that if Filoni argued for more, they would have just fired him like they did to Greg Weisman with Gargoyles. I mean, they forced him to cut scenes and change a male character to female, it's obvious they're meddling with the show.

[Captain Crimson]

This is something you gotta just roll with if you're consuming Disney Star Wars. I mean, even people like Mr. Martin and Mr. Hidalgo have said continuity is fluid and too hard to maintain at this point and doesn't matter. "Canon" is flexible. Meaning, you gotta expect a high level of retcons here. Unless they get better management. Though I find it hard to believe this is not Dave Filoni's own doing, given how watered down Rebels is.

What Hidalgo and Martin mean is they're too lazy to do their jobs properly. Someone please fire them. Personally, I think it's fairly obvious it's more Disney's fault if anything. Rebels couldn't be as violent or look as good as TCW because of Disey's cheapness. They probably chose which episodes got animated, and I don't doubt that if Filoni argued for more, they would have just fired him like they did to Greg Weisman with Gargoyles. I mean, they forced him to cut scenes and change a male character to female, it's obvious they're meddling with the show.

Perhaps... or are people like Ms. Kennedy or even the "Disney overlords" Boyega beautifully ragged on holding them down? Mr. Chee had kept the continuity for decades. I know he can do a better job than this. And despite his comments, I think Mr. Hidalgo can too. The story group are just creative consultants because... I'd peg it as Hollywood ego. There are not going to force directors for movies worth billions to conform to what some nerds say. That is how they see us. People like Mr. Zahn give me the clear distinction they are toeing the company line because they don't wanna be fired.

[ChrisTheLovableJerk]

Perhaps... or are people like Ms. Kennedy or even the "Disney overlords" Boyega beautifully ragged on holding them down? Mr. Chee had kept the continuity for decades. I know he can do a better job than this. And despite his comments, I think Mr. Hidalgo can too. The story group are just creative consultants because... I'd peg it as Hollywood ego. There are not going to force directors for movies worth billions to conform to what some nerds say. That is how they see us. People like Mr. Zahn give me the clear distinction they are toeing the company line because they don't wanna be fired.

I think it's obvious they are holding them down and you're correct about that 'towing the line' bit. No one can complain or call them out on something without being fired. With tragic irony, Kennedy, Johnson and Disney heads are more surrounded by 'Yes Men' than Lucas ever was.

[Captain Crimson]

Perhaps... or are people like Ms. Kennedy or even the "Disney overlords" Boyega beautifully ragged on holding them down? Mr. Chee had kept the continuity for decades. I know he can do a better job than this. And despite his comments, I think Mr. Hidalgo can too. The story group are just creative consultants because... I'd peg it as Hollywood ego. There are not going to force directors for movies worth billions to conform to what some nerds say. That is how they see us. People like Mr. Zahn give me the clear distinction they are toeing the company line because they don't wanna be fired.

I think it's obvious they are holding them down and you're correct about that 'towing the line' bit. No one can complain or call them out on something without being fired. With tragic irony, Kennedy, Johnson and Disney heads are more surrounded by 'Yes Men' then Lucas ever was.

That is indeed quite ironic.

[thetrueelec]

The high point is TLJ, who's high point is Luke standing against the First Order and winning without ever resorting to violence. The low point is fans thinking TLJ is bad