High and low points of the Disney canon, discuss it

[Mecha82]

I did also find that scene really good. It was really Jedi like thing for him to do.

[Captain Crimson]

I do applaud TLJ for what it was trying to do. Challenge your nostalgia in the nostalgia market. That's a bold move. I just think that since the casuals they were aiming for were only familiar with G Canon and not much else, that they could have whipped up a new character for Rey to go find and talk with, perhaps someone Luke had known at his new Jedi academy. But then the nostalgia market chains them even here, so we have to make it Luke. And I think it could have been a much stronger movie if we'd only had that original character.

[Mecha82]

Thing is, if it wasn't Luke then same people would had complained about that. After all people did get angry about TLJ trying to do whole "linage doesn't matter"-thing with Rey. To them it's unthinkable that some important character wouldn't be related to some one from OT s not having character from OT would had gotten same reaction from them. And then in response to that in TRoS they made Rey Palpatine's grandaughter and those same people complained about that.

[Captain Crimson]

Thing is, if it wasn't Luke then same people would had complained about that. After all people did get angry about TLJ trying to do whole "linage doesn't matter"-thing with Rey. To them it's unthinkable that some important character wouldn't be related to some one from OT s not having character from OT would had gotten same reaction from them. And then in response to that in TRoS they made Rey Palpatine's grandaughter and those same people complained about that.

And yet, there is valid criticism there, since TROS went and doubled down on it. All the Skywalkers are dead. Does lineage really matter in the end? I think if this had been the plan all along, which I will never buy their claims it was, that you could tell a much stronger story, that we do not have to be like our relatives, and her taking the name of her family's worst enemy is more touching than it was presented. That's stuff I'd commented upon before. Often times, you have to work to find the character nuances in spite of itself in today's market. Of course, we also know Mr. Abrams' script was heavily butchered with reshoots, so who knows how much was lost in translation? As I say over and over, you just have to roll with it.

EDIT: Another high point, to get back on topic. Mr. McDiarmid. Come on, that guy is just so hammy, it's always a delight seeing him on screen. He was easily one of the best things about the prequels.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Another parallel I've noticed between Disney trilogy and original trilogy is that each 3 of the movies got played to the same reception pretty much. I'm not going to try to dig into a meta analysis of the reviews at the time, but it goes thusly:

First movie: Basic humdinger of a pitch across the plate. Works as a self-contained story moreso than as part of a larger narrative (by design)

Second movie: Overtly dramatic, moreso than any kind of power struggle between sides. The stakes are small, but there is a lot of work surrounding them.

Third movie: Made by someone that doesn't like making stories. Also wraps up the trilogy.

[Captain Crimson]

Another parallel I've noticed between Disney trilogy and original trilogy is that each 3 of the movies got played to the same reception pretty much. I'm not going to try to dig into a meta analysis of the reviews at the time, but it goes thusly:

First movie: Basic humdinger of a pitch across the plate. Works as a self-contained story moreso than as part of a larger narrative (by design)

Second movie: Overtly dramatic, moreso than any kind of power struggle between sides. The stakes are small, but there is a lot of work surrounding them.

Third movie: Made by someone that doesn't like making stories. Also wraps up the trilogy.

Put on your tinfoil hats, people! But that's the way I think they wanted it. They looked deeply into how Mr. Lucas made his first three movies, and tried to replicate it. Though I think given the era we live in, it is to more mixed success than they were then. That being said, however, will they be remembered more fondly than the prequels, or will time forget them? We shall see.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Another parallel I've noticed between Disney trilogy and original trilogy is that each 3 of the movies got played to the same reception pretty much. I'm not going to try to dig into a meta analysis of the reviews at the time, but it goes thusly:

First movie: Basic humdinger of a pitch across the plate. Works as a self-contained story moreso than as part of a larger narrative (by design)

Second movie: Overtly dramatic, moreso than any kind of power struggle between sides. The stakes are small, but there is a lot of work surrounding them.

Third movie: Made by someone that doesn't like making stories. Also wraps up the trilogy.

Put on your tinfoil hats, people! But that's the way I think they wanted it. They looked deeply into how Mr. Lucas made his first three movies, and tried to replicate it. Though I think given the era we live in, it is to more mixed success than they were then. That being said, however, will they be remembered more fondly than the prequels, or will time forget them? We shall see.

Well the difference being that Lucas kept his eye on the overarching story that came together, and even made the prequels which otherwise let the two different triologies fit in harmony with each other. These in comparison are just three studio movies.

[Captain Crimson]

Another parallel I've noticed between Disney trilogy and original trilogy is that each 3 of the movies got played to the same reception pretty much. I'm not going to try to dig into a meta analysis of the reviews at the time, but it goes thusly:

First movie: Basic humdinger of a pitch across the plate. Works as a self-contained story moreso than as part of a larger narrative (by design)

Second movie: Overtly dramatic, moreso than any kind of power struggle between sides. The stakes are small, but there is a lot of work surrounding them.

Third movie: Made by someone that doesn't like making stories. Also wraps up the trilogy.

Put on your tinfoil hats, people! But that's the way I think they wanted it. They looked deeply into how Mr. Lucas made his first three movies, and tried to replicate it. Though I think given the era we live in, it is to more mixed success than they were then. That being said, however, will they be remembered more fondly than the prequels, or will time forget them? We shall see.

Well the difference being that Lucas kept his eye on the overarching story that came together, and even made the prequels which otherwise let the two different triologies fit in harmony with each other. These in comparison are just three studio movies.

I'd agree with that.

[Beastro]

Another parallel I've noticed between Disney trilogy and original trilogy is that each 3 of the movies got played to the same reception pretty much. I'm not going to try to dig into a meta analysis of the reviews at the time, but it goes thusly:

First movie: Basic humdinger of a pitch across the plate. Works as a self-contained story moreso than as part of a larger narrative (by design)

Second movie: Overtly dramatic, moreso than any kind of power struggle between sides. The stakes are small, but there is a lot of work surrounding them.

Third movie: Made by someone that doesn't like making stories. Also wraps up the trilogy.

Put on your tinfoil hats, people! But that's the way I think they wanted it. They looked deeply into how Mr. Lucas made his first three movies, and tried to replicate it. Though I think given the era we live in, it is to more mixed success than they were then. That being said, however, will they be remembered more fondly than the prequels, or will time forget them? We shall see.

If they honestly did try to replicate what he did, then it's practically the equivalent of trying to get a computer to produce a masterpiece of art. Whatever extraordinary powers are in that machine, it's soulless, and so is Disney et al.

[Mecha82]

I don't agree with that all. If Sequel Trilogy is soulless then so are OT and PT. I am sorry but I can't buy claim that OT and PT were more than what they actually are and some how ST is not. Then again I have no hate boner towards those.