For Frell's Sake

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Admiral X wrote::lol: That has to be one of the most deluded things I've seen anyone say.
...what is so deluded about it?
That breaking windows wasn't the worst part of Kristalnacht?
That it represented the first step in a campaign of genocide?
That breaking windows in a protest is not the same as a lot of state goons going in to terrorize a marginalized population?
That capitalism causes deaths?
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No, that you guys keep making shit up to make yourselves look better, but really you don't.
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Admiral X wrote:No, that you guys keep making shit up to make yourselves look better, but really you don't.
Pretty much everybody is better than Nazis, barring maybe serial killers and nuts like Daesh.

Again, I don't condone Left-wing political violence, as I've said many times. But let's not start in with "the Left is just as bad as the Nazis", Trump-style.

Because no, it isn't. And if there's one thing in politics that I hate almost as much as political violence, that I feel has done more to damage our political discourse than perhaps any other issue, its God damn false equivalencies.
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Again, communists have killed far more people than the Nazis ever did, so, yeah, one can actually say that they're just as bad as each other.
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Admiral X wrote:Again, communists have killed far more people than the Nazis ever did, so, yeah, one can actually say that they're just as bad as each other.
The disingenuous and false equation of "Left" and "Communists" (as well as the lumping of all communist, who unlike Nazis comprise many different ideological variations, under a single banner) does not go unnoticed.
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"Liberals get the bullet too" to quote a piece of recent graffiti. I would never conflate the Left with Communists; Liberalism is on the other end of the spectrum of the authoritarian axis but I'm not surrending the Left to the regressives.
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In fact, communist dictatorship is no more representative of the Left than Neo-Nazism is of the Right- arguably less so, at least in contemporary America, since you will be hard-pressed to find any major Left-leaning politician or public figure of any kind who would condone communism in the way that Trump, among others, condones Nazism.

Communism had caused great evil in history, absolutely. But in modern American, its basically a non-entity, politically. That could change, but we're a long way from it being a major political power in this country.
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I'm directly referencing antifa, as in the actual people out there fighting in the streets, and all the cheerleaders on the sidelines approving of what they do. Haven't really seen any who didn't fancy themselves a communist or socialist, or at least heavily sympathize with that ideology. As I've pointed out before, this could actually be seen as supportive of the bloody history of communism and its despotic nature, which can make for some hilarity as they try to do mental acrobatics to try to get around that. Well, aside from the more honest ones, anyway. ;)
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I'm not convinced everyone in Antifa is a communist, although I'm sure some are.

As to their "cheerleaders", I am not a fan, but I don't think most of them are supporting Antifa because they support communism. They're just engaging in the old (if foolish) belief that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".
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It's trivially easy to prove that capitalism has killed and continues to kill more people than communism. It comes down to the failures of capitalist societies to distribute resources effectively.
youtu.be/QnIsdVaCnUE

And that's not counting explicit wars for capitalism like every single coup and proxy war the USA was involved in during the Cold War.

But no, we're meant to believe that when China can't feed it's people that it's exclusively communism's fault, but when capitalist countries can't feed their people well that's just an act of god and no one is to blame.

Don't let anyone sell you this nonsense that Communism and Nazism are at all morally equivalent. Look at the ideologies in the abstract and see what they really are about. Communism doesn't need a Stalin, but Nazism always needs a Hitler.
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