Star Trek Discovery: Season Three

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Ordo wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:55 am
Makeshift Python wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:26 pm It's kind of a full circle thing. Andromeda came about when Robert Hewitt Wolfe used Roddenberry's basis for that show for a potential Star Trek spin-off. Rick Berman rejected it at the time, so Wolfe worked on it as a separate project. 25 years later, it's actually being utilized for Trek.
Honestly the concept of the Federation collapsing for a time never bothered me. What I'm liking about Discovery's version is that so far, the tech level remains above what we've seen in previous Star Trek series, it's just that the method to power their ships has become VERY scarce. Obviously we've seen other alternatives throughout Trek's history and it's possible some of that is being used on a limited basis since we've confirmed at least two Federation ships in service. That said we don't know what exotic material might be required to make it work, and thus it could also be extremely rare even if it's more trusted than Dilithium.

For me, I skipped the second season because the concept of the Red Angel and the entire prequel nature of the series didn't bother me. Now that they've jumped into the future I am interested again so this softreboot is pretty much working for me. I'm not tired of seeing any particular character in action, and to me there seem to be a lot of new faces getting screen time. So over all I am cautiously optimistic.
indeed, while I liked season two of Discovery, I do agree that the Red Angel arc once it's all said and done wasn't that good, I don't mind prequels, but they need to be used to expand on things that while we know about them, we don't know the whole story, like with Discoverys Klingon War arc and Enterprises potential to show how the Federation was formed and what the Romulan War was like, but when you introduce a major threat like Control or the Xindi in a prequel, that if not stopped will destroy worlds that we know are still around because it's a prequel, then it feels like a waist of time.

However I'm still hyped for Strange New Worlds as it's going to expand on Captain Pike and his crew and time on the Enterprise before Captain Kirk, and is even making the fact that we as the audience know his fate apart of the series by keeping in that Pike knows his fate and seeing how he copes with that knowledge, it feels sort of meta in that way.

Also on tech level, I love the Programmable Matter, it's such an awesome idea and I love how it's implemented in Discovery, the opening scene to season three with the bed dissolving into the floor like sand, then reforming into a desk and chair that floats, yet holds so steady that you could push down on it and it wouldn't move looks fantastic.

Also, bird alarm clock... I want one.
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Asvarduil wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:53 pm
Actarus wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:17 pm
And the show had more of...er...whatever the mean sarcastic engineer lady is.
Jett Reno.
Yeah, not going to lie - I think she has the coolest name of anyone in the series. Jett Reno just sounds so...damn. It sounds awesome to say. On top of it, she's competent and reasonably self-aware. She's basically the Lt. Reid of DISCO.

I'm sure The Sisko approves of her presence.
Wait, I thought they were saying 'Janet Reno'
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Asvarduil wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:53 pm
Actarus wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:17 pm
And the show had more of...er...whatever the mean sarcastic engineer lady is.
Jett Reno.
Yeah, not going to lie - I think she has the coolest name of anyone in the series. Jett Reno just sounds so...damn. It sounds awesome to say. On top of it, she's competent and reasonably self-aware. She's basically the Lt. Reid of DISCO.

I'm sure The Sisko approves of her presence.
I never thought of Malcolm Reed. Not a bad comparison. As for myself, she's more like the McCoy of Discovery.
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Link8909 wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:23 pm I also love this exchange she had in the latest episode:
Reno: So, unless Hazmat over here is gonna be helping after he cleans up aisle five…
Ensign Hazmat: M-my name's Gene, actually.
Reno: I've already forgotten that.
I did not like this.....this is way too much a 20th/21st century joke for a lame comedy. Watching a wacky goofy comedy about friends, then sure the K-Mart joke of "clean up on aisle five" is sort of funny. But it really does not fit by the 23rd century. Are there Fed Communist Marts where people go to get food and items and spill things on the floor?

Guess poor mop boy was a Crewman right? Does Disco have that rank?

Though I love how dumb and naive the crew of Discovery is.... The whole "oh oh the Empress weny to help Linus". And Jett is just like "her help? And you fell for that?"

But then Sarubarb is a huge idiot for telling the empress to "oh just go fix that thingy over there" when her skill set is a little more "Away Team Murderhobo".
Link8909 wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:03 pm Also on tech level, I love the Programmable Matter, it's such an awesome idea and I love how it's implemented in Discovery, the opening scene to season three with the bed dissolving into the floor like sand, then reforming into a desk and chair that floats, yet holds so steady that you could push down on it and it wouldn't move looks fantastic.

Also, bird alarm clock... I want one.
Well, it's nice that now as the show is FINALLY in the future of the future, where it should have ALL WAYS been. Now the writers can dream up all the wacky tech they want. Not that they ever cared about trying to make the first two season make sense with all the rest of Trek....they had to have super duper awesome video game CGI spam to make the show look cool. But at least now it does not matter
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Actarus wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:26 am
Asvarduil wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:53 pm
Actarus wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:17 pm
And the show had more of...er...whatever the mean sarcastic engineer lady is.
Jett Reno.
Yeah, not going to lie - I think she has the coolest name of anyone in the series. Jett Reno just sounds so...damn. It sounds awesome to say. On top of it, she's competent and reasonably self-aware. She's basically the Lt. Reid of DISCO.

I'm sure The Sisko approves of her presence.
I never thought of Malcolm Reed. Not a bad comparison. As for myself, she's more like the McCoy of Discovery.
I can see that, grouchy people who are done with everyone and everything around them are also a favourite type of character in fiction, put them in any situation and they'll have something both snarky and funny to comment on.
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Link8909 wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:25 pm
Actarus wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:26 am
Asvarduil wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:53 pm
Actarus wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:17 pm
And the show had more of...er...whatever the mean sarcastic engineer lady is.
Jett Reno.
Yeah, not going to lie - I think she has the coolest name of anyone in the series. Jett Reno just sounds so...damn. It sounds awesome to say. On top of it, she's competent and reasonably self-aware. She's basically the Lt. Reid of DISCO.

I'm sure The Sisko approves of her presence.
I never thought of Malcolm Reed. Not a bad comparison. As for myself, she's more like the McCoy of Discovery.
I can see that, grouchy people who are done with everyone and everything around them are also a favourite type of character in fiction, put them in any situation and they'll have something both snarky and funny to comment on.
You know what's funny? If you met someone like this in real life you would walk away thinking that they are the biggest c-t you've ever met in your life. Same goes for most comedy protagonists too actually. The sniping, the remarks, the comments, the insults - so funny to the viewer but ultimately it makes them a complete a-hole in-universe. Its worth remembering this whenever characters with huge fandoms also have huge hatedoms as well.

Me personally, there are two types of characters that I hate beyond all others: Mary Sue's (e.g Rey etc.) and assholes who are assholes for the sake of being assholes (Pulaski etc.). Sometimes however these characters are done so well that you can't help but love them. Tony Stark is a good example of this. Asshole just for the sake of being an asshole, but is clearly trying hard not to be and has saved the world multiple times. We'll see where Jett/Janet Reno comes. I am not encouraged by the quote.
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clearspira wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:34 pmYou know what's funny? If you met someone like this in real life you would walk away thinking that they are the biggest c-t you've ever met in your life. Same goes for most comedy protagonists too actually. The sniping, the remarks, the comments, the insults - so funny to the viewer but ultimately it makes them a complete a-hole in-universe. Its worth remembering this whenever characters with huge fandoms also have huge hatedoms as well.
You just snipe back. I've found more than one friend that way, though admittedly, I've found myself in some quite wierd and confusing conversations at times, when both sides try to outwit the other with increasingly elaborate verbal and mental constructions. It can get tiresome though.
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clearspira wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:34 pm Same goes for most comedy protagonists too actually. The sniping, the remarks, the comments, the insults - so funny to the viewer but ultimately it makes them a complete a-hole in-universe.
This is normal for TV though. The characters that "say something" are the more popular ones. You can make an easy list of snarky, sniping, insulting and down right mean characters.

Sure, in universe Jett would be booted out of Starfleet by human resources at light speed, or if she was lucky be manning a solo FedCom antenna relay on an ice planet (like Scotty in the 2009 Star Trek).
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Jett isn't arrogant. Getting along in a place like that (starfleet) with that attitude depends largely on if you're undermining other people and she doesn't do that in the slightest.

It also might be a matter of her being alone on a ship for like 6 months, so it's completely understandable why she's like that and even maybe how she survived in her own head.
..What mirror universe?
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If anything, she tends to help her crew members out by giving them constructive advice that they really need to hear, albeit with snarky delivery. See: her intervening to patch up Stamets and Culber's relationship last season, or her attempt to talk Stamets into letting himself rest when he needs to in the latest episode.

If anything, Reno comes across to me as a crotchety Guinan.
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