Are they on your level of wokeness? if not why do you care what they are called or call themselves.Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:48 pmYou make that claim, yet you are reluctant to make the most token of concessions.Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:43 amIf you are on the left how shoudl it not?GloatingSwine wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:11 amHow does that affect the coinage of new English words to be used in discourse in English?Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:39 amThe hisotry oif US intervention into Latin American countries.GloatingSwine wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:36 pmWhy do you think that's a reason for it to be offensive? (Please be specific).Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:23 pmComes out of US universities/press. Doubt the most poor people of that origin were consulted about it.GloatingSwine wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:19 pmWhy would you think it is?Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:25 pm You don't think Latinx is more offensive than a theoretical slur?
Hell no. People get trashed all time for the most minor things.Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:11 am Because you're making this claim that trying to be progressive is some tightwire act in today's PC Culture, and I'm asserting that all you need to do is make a very small effort to be polite.
Here's some source cited: https://mindfulmermaid.com/stopsayinggypsy/
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If loan words and derivatives thereof are cultural appropriation now, I'm afraid we'll have to give up language as a bad idea and go back to grunts.Antiboyscout wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:41 pmCultural AppropriationGloatingSwine wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:53 amYou are making the claim, I am merely making inquiries as to your reasoning.Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:43 amIf you are on the left how shoudl it not?GloatingSwine wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:11 amHow does that affect the coinage of new English words to be used in discourse in English?Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:39 amThe hisotry oif US intervention into Latin American countries.GloatingSwine wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:36 pmWhy do you think that's a reason for it to be offensive? (Please be specific).Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:23 pmComes out of US universities/press. Doubt the most poor people of that origin were consulted about it.GloatingSwine wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:19 pmWhy would you think it is?Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:25 pm You don't think Latinx is more offensive than a theoretical slur?
Why is the history of US intervention in Latin American countries cogent to the coinage of new English words to be used in discourse in English?
Do you, or Slash, have an argument that isn't a buzzword?
Like you can make the argument that Latinx is unnecessary because English already has a gender neutral term that everyone would contextually understand (Latin). But arguing that it is actively offensive would actually require more support than is being produced.
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The Everyday Language of White Racism:GloatingSwine wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:27 pm If loan words and derivatives thereof are cultural appropriation now, I'm afraid we'll have to give up language as a bad idea and go back to grunts.
Do you, or Slash, have an argument that isn't a buzzword?
Like you can make the argument that Latinx is unnecessary because English already has a gender neutral term that everyone would contextually understand (Latin). But arguing that it is actively offensive would actually require more support than is being produced.
Link to excerpt beginning of chapter 6
https://books.google.com/books?id=RNL9Q ... hDoAQhWMAk
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And are you going to further demonstrate that this is, in fact, happening in the case of "Latinx".Antiboyscout wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:56 pmThe Everyday Language of White Racism:GloatingSwine wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:27 pm If loan words and derivatives thereof are cultural appropriation now, I'm afraid we'll have to give up language as a bad idea and go back to grunts.
Do you, or Slash, have an argument that isn't a buzzword?
Like you can make the argument that Latinx is unnecessary because English already has a gender neutral term that everyone would contextually understand (Latin). But arguing that it is actively offensive would actually require more support than is being produced.
Link to excerpt beginning of chapter 6
https://books.google.com/books?id=RNL9Q ... hDoAQhWMAk
(PS the word "Latin" is not Spanish or etymologically rooted in Spanish, it is itself a loan word in Spanish as well.)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LatinoGloatingSwine wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:20 pmAnd are you going to further demonstrate that this is, in fact, happening in the case of "Latinx".Antiboyscout wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:56 pmThe Everyday Language of White Racism:GloatingSwine wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:27 pm If loan words and derivatives thereof are cultural appropriation now, I'm afraid we'll have to give up language as a bad idea and go back to grunts.
Do you, or Slash, have an argument that isn't a buzzword?
Like you can make the argument that Latinx is unnecessary because English already has a gender neutral term that everyone would contextually understand (Latin). But arguing that it is actively offensive would actually require more support than is being produced.
Link to excerpt beginning of chapter 6
https://books.google.com/books?id=RNL9Q ... hDoAQhWMAk
(PS the word "Latin" is not Spanish or etymologically rooted in Spanish, it is itself a loan word in Spanish as well.)
"In English, the terms latino and latina are sometimes shortened forms of American Spanish "latinoamericano" and "latinoamericana" which are New World expansions of the Old World terms "latino" and "latina" which are ultimately from the Latin terms latīnus and latīna meaning Latin."
Criticism:
"The use of the term Latino, despite its increasing popularity, is still highly debated among those who are called by the name.[31][32] Since the adoption of the term by the U.S. Census Bureau[33] and its subsequent widespread use, there have been several controversies and disagreements, especially in the United States and, to a lesser extent, in Mexico and other Spanish-speaking countries. Since it is an arbitrary generic term, many Latin American scholars, journalists, and indigenous rights organisations have objected to the mass media use of the word "Latino", pointing out that such ethnonyms are optional and should be used only to describe people involved in the practices, ideologies, and identity politics of their supporters.[34][35][36][37] Journalist Rodolfo Acuña writes"
" When and why the Latino identity came about is a more involved story. Essentially, politicians, the media, and marketers find it convenient to deal with the different U.S. Spanish-speaking people under one umbrella. However, many people with Spanish surnames contest the term Latino. They claim it is misleading because no Latino or Hispanic nationality exists since no Latino state exists, so generalizing the term Latino slights the various national identities included under the umbrella.[38]"
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A few romani people have told me it's offensive, although some don't find it so.Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:53 pmAre they on your level of wokeness? if not why do you care what they are called or call themselves.Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:48 pmYou make that claim, yet you are reluctant to make the most token of concessions.Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:43 amIf you are on the left how shoudl it not?GloatingSwine wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:11 amHow does that affect the coinage of new English words to be used in discourse in English?Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:39 amThe hisotry oif US intervention into Latin American countries.GloatingSwine wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:36 pmWhy do you think that's a reason for it to be offensive? (Please be specific).Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:23 pmComes out of US universities/press. Doubt the most poor people of that origin were consulted about it.GloatingSwine wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:19 pmWhy would you think it is?Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:25 pm You don't think Latinx is more offensive than a theoretical slur?
Hell no. People get trashed all time for the most minor things.Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:11 am Because you're making this claim that trying to be progressive is some tightwire act in today's PC Culture, and I'm asserting that all you need to do is make a very small effort to be polite.
Here's some source cited: https://mindfulmermaid.com/stopsayinggypsy/
What exactly do you use by not using this one word to describe a certain minority? Why are you so determined to find a reason not to do it?
In short, you keep claiming that the bar for political correctness is unattainably high. From my perspective, it looks like the bar is set at ankle height and you are digging a trench to go under it.
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The policing of speech, and there by, losing Freedom of Speech seems like a price too high.Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:40 pmA few romani people have told me it's offensive, although some don't find it so.Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:53 pmAre they on your level of wokeness? if not why do you care what they are called or call themselves.Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:48 pmYou make that claim, yet you are reluctant to make the most token of concessions.Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:43 amIf you are on the left how shoudl it not?GloatingSwine wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:11 amHow does that affect the coinage of new English words to be used in discourse in English?Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:39 amThe hisotry oif US intervention into Latin American countries.GloatingSwine wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:36 pmWhy do you think that's a reason for it to be offensive? (Please be specific).Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:23 pmComes out of US universities/press. Doubt the most poor people of that origin were consulted about it.GloatingSwine wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:19 pmWhy would you think it is?Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:25 pm You don't think Latinx is more offensive than a theoretical slur?
Hell no. People get trashed all time for the most minor things.Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:11 am Because you're making this claim that trying to be progressive is some tightwire act in today's PC Culture, and I'm asserting that all you need to do is make a very small effort to be polite.
Here's some source cited: https://mindfulmermaid.com/stopsayinggypsy/
What exactly do you use by not using this one word to describe a certain minority? Why are you so determined to find a reason not to do it?
In short, you keep claiming that the bar for political correctness is unattainably high. From my perspective, it looks like the bar is set at ankle height and you are digging a trench to go under it.
An offended minority of a minority should not dictate how I live my life or what I can and cannot say.
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If it looks that low for you maybe you should try out North Korea.Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:40 pmA few romani people have told me it's offensive, although some don't find it so.Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:53 pmAre they on your level of wokeness? if not why do you care what they are called or call themselves.Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:48 pmYou make that claim, yet you are reluctant to make the most token of concessions.Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:43 amIf you are on the left how shoudl it not?GloatingSwine wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:11 amHow does that affect the coinage of new English words to be used in discourse in English?Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:39 amThe hisotry oif US intervention into Latin American countries.GloatingSwine wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:36 pmWhy do you think that's a reason for it to be offensive? (Please be specific).Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:23 pmComes out of US universities/press. Doubt the most poor people of that origin were consulted about it.GloatingSwine wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:19 pmWhy would you think it is?Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:25 pm You don't think Latinx is more offensive than a theoretical slur?
Hell no. People get trashed all time for the most minor things.Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:11 am Because you're making this claim that trying to be progressive is some tightwire act in today's PC Culture, and I'm asserting that all you need to do is make a very small effort to be polite.
Here's some source cited: https://mindfulmermaid.com/stopsayinggypsy/
What exactly do you use by not using this one word to describe a certain minority? Why are you so determined to find a reason not to do it?
In short, you keep claiming that the bar for political correctness is unattainably high. From my perspective, it looks like the bar is set at ankle height and you are digging a trench to go under it.
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Would you care to elaborate what you mean by that cryptic sentence?Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 7:42 amIf it looks that low for you maybe you should try out North Korea.Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:40 pmA few romani people have told me it's offensive, although some don't find it so.Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:53 pmAre they on your level of wokeness? if not why do you care what they are called or call themselves.Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:48 pmYou make that claim, yet you are reluctant to make the most token of concessions.Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:43 amIf you are on the left how shoudl it not?GloatingSwine wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:11 amHow does that affect the coinage of new English words to be used in discourse in English?Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:39 amThe hisotry oif US intervention into Latin American countries.GloatingSwine wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:36 pmWhy do you think that's a reason for it to be offensive? (Please be specific).Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:23 pmComes out of US universities/press. Doubt the most poor people of that origin were consulted about it.GloatingSwine wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:19 pmWhy would you think it is?Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:25 pm You don't think Latinx is more offensive than a theoretical slur?
Hell no. People get trashed all time for the most minor things.Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:11 am Because you're making this claim that trying to be progressive is some tightwire act in today's PC Culture, and I'm asserting that all you need to do is make a very small effort to be polite.
Here's some source cited: https://mindfulmermaid.com/stopsayinggypsy/
What exactly do you use by not using this one word to describe a certain minority? Why are you so determined to find a reason not to do it?
In short, you keep claiming that the bar for political correctness is unattainably high. From my perspective, it looks like the bar is set at ankle height and you are digging a trench to go under it.
"Believe me, there’s nothing so terrible that someone won’t support it."
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You said ankle height.Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 8:31 pmWould you care to elaborate what you mean by that cryptic sentence?Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 7:42 amIf it looks that low for you maybe you should try out North Korea.Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:40 pmA few romani people have told me it's offensive, although some don't find it so.Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:53 pmAre they on your level of wokeness? if not why do you care what they are called or call themselves.Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:48 pmYou make that claim, yet you are reluctant to make the most token of concessions.Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:43 amIf you are on the left how shoudl it not?GloatingSwine wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:11 amHow does that affect the coinage of new English words to be used in discourse in English?Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:39 amThe hisotry oif US intervention into Latin American countries.GloatingSwine wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:36 pmWhy do you think that's a reason for it to be offensive? (Please be specific).Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:23 pmComes out of US universities/press. Doubt the most poor people of that origin were consulted about it.GloatingSwine wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:19 pmWhy would you think it is?Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:25 pm You don't think Latinx is more offensive than a theoretical slur?
Hell no. People get trashed all time for the most minor things.Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:11 am Because you're making this claim that trying to be progressive is some tightwire act in today's PC Culture, and I'm asserting that all you need to do is make a very small effort to be polite.
Here's some source cited: https://mindfulmermaid.com/stopsayinggypsy/
What exactly do you use by not using this one word to describe a certain minority? Why are you so determined to find a reason not to do it?
In short, you keep claiming that the bar for political correctness is unattainably high. From my perspective, it looks like the bar is set at ankle height and you are digging a trench to go under it.