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hammerofglass wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 11:32 pm

Dragon Ball Fan wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 11:06 pm

hammerofglass wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 10:45 pm

Dragon Ball Fan wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 8:26 pm
He had a military grade weapon and they could have not known where exactly the shooter is, making it easy for the shooter to kill every one of them before they can even try to stop him. And I am not talking about this particular incident, I am asking why people think this is the objectively wrong thing to do in all situations.

More recent shooting, same style of rifle, killed by random citizen with a pistol:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61615236

AR-15 style rifles are the most common gun in the country. They're easy to make and all the patents ran out in the 70's so every manufacturer makes them. It's a varmint gun, that's it. Almost everyone who has more than one gun owns one. In the kind of ranges we're talking about the pistols the police were carrying are just as deadly.

The why is too much for a brief post, here's an IACP policy paper going over the standard active shooter response and the reasons for it: https://www.theiacp.org/resources/polic ... ve-shooter

Can you bottom line it for me? I don't see how Leroy Jenkinsing in with no thought of what the consequences for the people you are trying to save, would help.

They don't Leroy Jenkins it. They go in methodically and carefully while actively assessing the situation, but they keep the pressure on. Resolve the situation as quickly as possible so more victims get immediate medical attention in time and fewer get killed.

It's only twenty pages and the people who wrote it know a hell of a lot more about the topic than I do, I highly recommend actually reading it over taking my word for it (rainbow butterfly). There are stats and examples and everything.

Dragon Ball Fan wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 11:51 pm

hammerofglass wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 11:32 pm

Dragon Ball Fan wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 11:06 pm

hammerofglass wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 10:45 pm

Dragon Ball Fan wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 8:26 pm
He had a military grade weapon and they could have not known where exactly the shooter is, making it easy for the shooter to kill every one of them before they can even try to stop him. And I am not talking about this particular incident, I am asking why people think this is the objectively wrong thing to do in all situations.

More recent shooting, same style of rifle, killed by random citizen with a pistol:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61615236

AR-15 style rifles are the most common gun in the country. They're easy to make and all the patents ran out in the 70's so every manufacturer makes them. It's a varmint gun, that's it. Almost everyone who has more than one gun owns one. In the kind of ranges we're talking about the pistols the police were carrying are just as deadly.

The why is too much for a brief post, here's an IACP policy paper going over the standard active shooter response and the reasons for it: https://www.theiacp.org/resources/polic ... ve-shooter

Can you bottom line it for me? I don't see how Leroy Jenkinsing in with no thought of what the consequences for the people you are trying to save, would help.

They don't Leroy Jenkins it. They go in methodically and carefully while actively assessing the situation, but they keep the pressure on. Resolve the situation as quickly as possible so more victims get immediate medical attention in time and fewer get killed.

It's only twenty pages and the people who wrote it know a hell of a lot more about the topic than I do, I highly recommend actually reading it over taking my word for it (rainbow butterfly). There are stats and examples and everything.

Okay but there is still the issue of almost the entirety of the left turning their reasonable distrust of police as an institution into an actual prejudice against police officers as people, parents are teaching their kids to hate and fear cops no matter what and this prejudice won't stop when policing is reformed.

Madner Kami wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 1:45 am He had that thread and it kept turning in circles. Now he's jonesing for his fix in every other topic that is vaguely related to his chosen pet-peeve. I suggest not falling for that trap and instead staying on topic.

Dragon Ball Fan wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 2:49 am

Madner Kami wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 1:45 am He had that thread and it kept turning in circles. Now he's jonesing for his fix in every other topic that is vaguely related to his chosen pet-peeve. I suggest not falling for that trap and instead staying on topic.

Not gonna do that to this thread but don't have any other place to discuss it, so, looks like I'll have to let it eat at me.

McAvoy wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 3:34 am

Dragon Ball Fan wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 2:49 am

Madner Kami wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 1:45 am He had that thread and it kept turning in circles. Now he's jonesing for his fix in every other topic that is vaguely related to his chosen pet-peeve. I suggest not falling for that trap and instead staying on topic.

Not gonna do that to this thread but don't have any other place to discuss it, so, looks like I'll have to let it eat at me.

Because it was removed. 400 pages.

Just say on topic.

Dragon Ball Fan wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 3:42 am

McAvoy wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 3:34 am

Dragon Ball Fan wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 2:49 am

Madner Kami wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 1:45 am He had that thread and it kept turning in circles. Now he's jonesing for his fix in every other topic that is vaguely related to his chosen pet-peeve. I suggest not falling for that trap and instead staying on topic.

Not gonna do that to this thread but don't have any other place to discuss it, so, looks like I'll have to let it eat at me.

Because it was removed. 400 pages.

Just say on topic.

I will if I find a relevant place to talk about my issues.

Dragon Ball Fan wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 3:51 am Well, just give me a straight answer to my concerns and this will be over.