UK passing staunch gender bathroom law

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Trans isn't becoming trendier, it's that more trans people are managing not to get murdered or die by suicide. Please stick to the topic instead of dragging in the twisted rat king that is the "Woke Disney is ruining things!" argument.

CC, have you ever asked a living, breathing trans person who was within face-punching range of you about this? Are you friends with any trans people? Have people you knew as one gender come out to you as trans before they came out to the world? Have you fucked a trans person?

Because I can say "yes" to all of those things, and I even made trans people feel safe enough to correct me when I got things wrong.


And you know what else? Worst case scenario, if we let "TransTrenders" continue unimpeded, is...nothing! People just get less vigorously policed about their backstory and gender expression! That's it. There's no negative repurcussions.

But you would rather see real live innocent trans people suffer to punish the Trans Trenders you think might exist.

You know what a slur is? Faggot. Transphobe isn't a slur, its an ideological and behavioral description.

[clearspira]

You make a good impassioned speech. And yet, I don't have a daughter, but i have a young niece. And I wouldn't want her anywhere near a fully equipped and fully grown man in a toilet or a changing room. The latter especially; and you can call me every slur you want, i'm not letting anyone with his dick out near her no matter what the excuse is because I do not know whether he is legitimately a transperson or some fucking pervert claiming to be one. Why do you think we even have separate toilets and changing rooms for anyway?

Most people in Britain back Boris Johnson on this. How do I know this? Because we had a local election last week and Boris increased his majority in the House of Commons whilst Labour - the party of identity politics - is now so far down in the polls many are wondering if it is even possible to get the Tories out of power this decade.

I'll say this too: despite what you may think of me or what it may sound like, I feel sorry for transpeople. To look into a mirror and see a stranger stare back at you is... wow. It must be horrific. I cannot imagine it and I glad I do not have to go through it. But. You. Are. Not. The. Only. Ones. With. Problems. Cis-women have problems too; most of which tend to originate from piece of shit men who should have had their dicks cut off before puberty before they learned to use them as weapons. If it wasn't for them then maybe this would not be such a controversial issue.

[Captain Crimson]

You make a good impassioned speech. And yet, I don't have a daughter, but i have a young niece. And I wouldn't want her anywhere near a fully equipped and fully grown man in a toilet or a changing room. The latter especially; and you can call me every slur you want, i'm not letting anyone with his dick out near her no matter what the excuse is because I do not know whether he is legitimately a transperson or some fucking pervert claiming to be one. Why do you think we even have separate toilets and changing rooms for anyway?

Most people in Britain back Boris Johnson on this. How do I know this? Because we had a local election last week and Boris increased his majority in the House of Commons whilst Labour - the party of identity politics - is now so far down in the polls many are wondering if it is even possible to get the Tories out of power this decade.

I'll say this too: despite what you may think of me or what it may sound like, I feel sorry for transpeople. To look into a mirror and see a stranger stare back at you is... wow. It must be horrific. I cannot imagine it and I glad I do not have to go through it. But. You. Are. Not. The. Only. Ones. With. Problems. Cis-women have problems too; most of which tend to originate from piece of shit men who should have had their dicks cut off before puberty before they learned to use them as weapons. If it wasn't for them then maybe this would not be such a controversial issue.

100% on point. If they're so fragile they are special needs, then what hope do they have in society? Should they not be put into a special-needs facility at the behest of their guardian or voluntarily? Because I've said before, we need thicker skin as a society. And yes, trans people have it rough, very horrible - to face that kinda gender crisis, you're right. I can't conceive of it. They need help. Which is why transtrenders are just so insidious. Claiming to be trans as a way to fit in - because again, we are not gonna have a mass sex-change transition in the next two decades. I'd guarantee that.

But as you noted, we all deal with s***. And we all have to endure, or we sink. Like a fish in the sea. Identity politics is the path to nowhere unless you're dealing with a rabid buffoon like Mr. Trump was.

[CmdrKing]

If you haven't transitioned, you're just not a trans, period, but a poser, and again, how many will have actually transitioned in the next 20 years? Maybe you could claim it has more visibility if we had flawless sex change, that would encourage switching back and forth with ease at no personal damage to onself, but again, we do not have that.

This should be the only chart anyone should ever need to understand "transtrenders":
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ie it's not a trend, it's the actual, natural rate of gender-divergence normalizing itself after centuries of persecution, erasure, and literal genocide.

Anyway that's not how being trans works, anyone telling you it is is spreading deliberate misinformation.

Otherwise:I suppose those "studies" you referenced earlier were ROGD? Yeah, fake: https://psychcentral.com/lib/there-is-n ... a-exists#1

You make a good impassioned speech. And yet, I don't have a daughter, but i have a young niece. And I wouldn't want her anywhere near a fully equipped and fully grown man in a toilet or a changing room. The latter especially; and you can call me every slur you want, i'm not letting anyone with his dick out near her no matter what the excuse is because I do not know whether he is legitimately a transperson or some fucking pervert claiming to be one. Why do you think we even have separate toilets and changing rooms for anyway?

Bad news: these laws make it easier for abusers and rapists to access lady's loos. Because it encourages bigots to invite men into the washroom to make sure no dangerous "fake women" are lying in wait.
Nevermind the part where this also encourages bigots to assault cis women who fail to meet their standard of femininity in order to eliminate the possibility of of those oh-so-dangerous transes sneaking in a pee.

[Draco Dracul]

People do realize that trans men also exist, right? Like if you're concerned about people making false claims to abuse women what's to stop a cis man to claim he's a trans man to get into the ladies room?

[CmdrKing]

That entire line of reasoning is bunk anyway really. Like, if a man wants to sneak into the lady's room and hurt people, why would he pretend to be any kind of trans? He's just going to fucking do it. Nothing particularly stops people from doing that sort of shit except that very few people want to and a portion of those who do fear being caught. These crusades against trans people do little to alter that calculus, but do much to increase harassment against gender non-conforming people of all descriptions.
Which, of course, is the point, to harass trans people out of public life on a flimsy pretext while also giving people cover to police people around them and enforce stricter gender norms.

[Thebestoftherest]

People do realize that trans men also exist, right? Like if you're concerned about people making false claims to abuse women what's to stop a cis man to claim he's a trans man to get into the ladies room?

Umm the fact a trans man wouldn't want to be in ladies room that is what how.

[Captain Crimson]

Bottom line being it cannot be transphobia because I literally have no issues with trans people in a real-world context. Online, I cannot. From statistics polls that may be tailored to fit an agenda, not that either. But I would never let someone's dysphoria in their gender state get in the way of a good friendship or even a romance. These are the issues you can suss out when you're talking to another human being face-to-face and want to maintain an open dialogue because you care about them.

Transphobia is about as meaningful as "misogyny" now - it's a useless buzzword that's lost all relevance because we got after such useless crap instead of the actual misogynists, like insisting a more traditional-oriented values approach makes you "misogynistic." "Misogyny" is defined as hatred of women, so by definition, most people are not misogynistic, just at worst, old-time sexist.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

You make a good impassioned speech. And yet, I don't have a daughter, but i have a young niece. And I wouldn't want her anywhere near a fully equipped and fully grown man in a toilet or a changing room. The latter especially; and you can call me every slur you want, i'm not letting anyone with his dick out near her no matter what the excuse is because I do not know whether he is legitimately a transperson or some fucking pervert claiming to be one. Why do you think we even have separate toilets and changing rooms for anyway?

And that's what the transphobes are counting on. They can leverage your genuine concern for your niece to persecute trans people who are also just trying to piss. If they said "we want trans people to get beaten up and outed and murdered", then they would have more difficult getting their support.

Now let's take away the shadowy specter of the big man who says "Oh, I'm just transgender," because we haven't seen evidence that he exists. Let's deal with the real.

There are grown men who will go in there to "check" for trans women, or to "prove" how dangerous it is. They've been doing that.

There are women with short hair who get harassed when they try to pee.

Now imagine a little trans girl, who is dressing and presenting as her gender because she needs to do that for months in order for the psychiatrist to give her those hormones that will allow her to shower without shuddering and be less likely to get the shit beat out of her for looking weird. That girl also has to pee. That girl may be developing kidney problems from holding it too long. These laws would force the little trans girl, who weighs 80 pounds soaking wet, and has braces, and a Sailor Moon backpack, to go pee in the restroom with all the grown men in it.

Please extend that little girl the same concern that you feel for you niece.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Bottom line being it cannot be transphobia because I literally have no issues with trans people in a real-world context.

That's not how that works. You don't get to decide whether your behavior is transphobic. How it affects trans people is what determines that, and how it fits into transphobic ideologies.

You still haven't answered my question if you've ever dated a trans person, comforted a crying trans person, or even said any of these talking points when your teeth were within range of a trans person's fist.

"I'm not Count Olaf," said Count Olaf.