'Senate Republicans have blocked the creation of a bipartisan panel to study the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol.'

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Re: 'Senate Republicans have blocked the creation of a bipartisan panel to study the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol.'

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Beelzquill wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 10:35 pm Is my nickname BQ now? That makes me hungry for BBQ now but so be it.
TGLS wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 8:59 pm
So what you're saying is that calling it an unsuccessful March on Rome reenactment would be a better analogy?
I actually don't know that much about Mussolini's rise to power sorry to say. Were there buffalo horns and facepaint there too?
Honestly I was being a bit facetious, as the main similarity is:
-> Mussolini led his supporters to Rome
-> Trump called (?) his supporters to DC

Everything else doesn't work. The Italian government at the time relied on the input of the King, who refused to let the liberal Prime Minister declare a state of emergency and instead made Mussolini PM. Really the only real comparison I can think of is like when the leader of a banana republic decides to defy the results of an election and digs in their heels. And those aren't really memorable.
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Beelzquill wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 10:35 pm Is my nickname BQ now? That makes me hungry for BBQ now but so be it.
TGLS wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 8:59 pm
So what you're saying is that calling it an unsuccessful March on Rome reenactment would be a better analogy?
I actually don't know that much about Mussolini's rise to power sorry to say. Were there buffalo horns and facepaint there too? Truthfully I just got annoyed at yet another person making a stretched Nazi comparison with a bunch of reckless dumbasses.
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Beelzquill wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 8:42 pm
ProfessorDetective wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 7:15 am https://twitter.com/AP/status/1398312664259088389

So, we're just supposed to forget that a bunch of yahoos nearly reenacted the Reichstag in Washington?!
Define "nearly" here, I mean the Reichstag was A. Successful in actually taking control of the government, B. Blamed on the communists, one of the people the Nazis used as scapegoats. This was just a riot that got into the congress instead of a bunch of poor people's needed local businesses. They didn't burn down the buildings and just took stuff and took selfies. Also you realizing you are implying the democrats are the nazis since they were the ones to harp on this being something that "hasn't hit this country since 9/11".

I'm glad Donald Trump isn't in office anymore, and I hate the actions of those stupid fuckwits who stormed the capitol, but have some perspective. How is this not as bad as what Gina Carano said about "conservatives are being treated like the Jews in the buildup to the Holocaust" crap?
A bunch of racist bigots tried to stage a coup on the federal government with the justification that they were reclaiming it from 'the enemy'. The 'nearly' was that the coup was unsuccessful and that the building is still standing. And they DID blame the Democrats... for driving them to do it by... Not being them, mostly.
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clearspira wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 9:39 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 7:38 am No, we're just supposed to accept there's nothing we can do about it and no way to stop it from happening again.

We need to get rid of the filibuster, and frell bipartisanship. Bipartisan action is only useful when both parties are operating in good faith and obeying the rule of law. One party is trying to not use the wrong fork while the other party is trying to enforce a zanier police state over a captive majority.
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Beelzquill wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 10:35 pm Is my nickname BQ now? That makes me hungry for BBQ now but so be it.
TGLS wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 8:59 pm
So what you're saying is that calling it an unsuccessful March on Rome reenactment would be a better analogy?
I actually don't know that much about Mussolini's rise to power sorry to say. Were there buffalo horns and facepaint there too? Truthfully I just got annoyed at yet another person making a stretched Nazi comparison with a bunch of reckless dumbasses.
Being a Nazi and being a reckless dumbass aren't mutually exclusive. Did you miss the Nazi symbols and Nazi flags? And reckless dumbasses can still murder people.

This is why I hate the Both Sides argument. It equates the right's far-flung anti-semitic conspiracy theories with the left's "conspiracy theories' that are just describing what the right actually did this effing year.

And this isn't a lynch mob, this isn't a political vendetta, this is literally an attempt to set up an investigative committee to find out HOW a mass of assholes in viking helmets got into THE HALLS OF CONGRESS and managed to plant their dirty feet on the speaker of the house's desk and destroy property and kill a couple people, when, in theory , it should be very HARD for them to do that. Ultimately, the goal isn't even to PUNISH those responsible, it's to take steps to make sure that DOESN"T happen again, like say, if somebody loses the 2024 election and tries to overturn the election results with a more efficient, less foolish mob with a higher sniper to viking ratio.

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Allright, now having read the article, I do believe the republicans should have voted for this bipartisan investigation. The Democrats have every reason to do a partisan one now and I won't blame them when they try to do it.

I will stand by the stance that Jan 6th attack was not remotely like the Reichstag Fire that led to the end of Weimar Germany.
ProfessorDetective wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 2:11 am The 'nearly' was that the coup was unsuccessful and that the building is still standing. And they DID blame the Democrats... for driving them to do it by... Not being them, mostly.
Yeah that's still weak, by the way when I said you are the Democrats are the Nazis, I meant the Reichstag fire happened as a result of Hitler getting made Chancelor, this allowed Hitler to ask for suspension of civil liberties to "investigate". Biden is the one made President the attack happened after. Let me be clear, Biden is not Hitler, and calling for a bipartisan investigation is not suspending human rights and beginning an authoritarian regime. If anything the attack reminds me of the Beer Hall Putsch, where Hitler tried to start an uprising in Bavaria and was quickly squashed, hell even the deathtolls are surprisingly close 5 for the Storming of DC, 20 for the Putsch.
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 2:23 am Being a Nazi and being a reckless dumbass aren't mutually exclusive. Did you miss the Nazi symbols and Nazi flags? And reckless dumbasses can still murder people.

This is why I hate the Both Sides argument. It equates the right's far-flung anti-semitic conspiracy theories with the left's "conspiracy theories' that are just describing what the right actually did this effing year.

And this isn't a lynch mob, this isn't a political vendetta, this is literally an attempt to set up an investigative committee to find out HOW a mass of assholes in viking helmets got into THE HALLS OF CONGRESS and managed to plant their dirty feet on the speaker of the house's desk and destroy property and kill a couple people, when, in theory , it should be very HARD for them to do that. Ultimately, the goal isn't even to PUNISH those responsible, it's to take steps to make sure that DOESN"T happen again, like say, if somebody loses the 2024 election and tries to overturn the election results with a more efficient, less foolish mob with a higher sniper to viking ratio.

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Fuzzy, I am not saying "both sides are equally wrong". I wasn't even arguing that Democrats were the Nazis, I was saying Professor Detective was saying that by his bad arguments. Maybe I didn't make that clear but fuck it.
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Thank you for clarifying. I'm just extremely wary of Bothsides ism, especially after spending a lot of time arguing with Captain Crimson and DBF. I hope you'll forgive me for jumping at shadows.
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No biggie my man. It happens, I jump too.
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clearspira wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 9:39 pm Careful. Those rules are there to help your side too.
Yes, I'd prefer the old-fashioned talking filibuster, like on KOTH, where you gotta stall the vote with words, and thus demonstrate more of who you really are, what you stand for.

Well, shocker of shockers, with today's gilded age criminal cohort in Congress, they just want a slip to sign off that loudly proclaims, "Yep, I'm totally doing a filibuster, it's all filibuster here on Capitol Hill, yep, bob! Hey, wanna go grab lunch?" :lol:

To me, the talking filibuster is absolutely American. To remove it or condense it is not.

BTW, to anyone who even bothered to do a lick of research on the rise of Hitler and Stalin and Mussolini, you'd instantly see these are not those times. Daily violence, more often than not stretching into two, three, four, five, perhaps even six times a day was the norm to those turbulent social conditions. Greater tools and archiving helps us cut down on crime rate. The media outlets want to make you think these are those times, with rampant crime and hate everywhere, rising rapidly, as that's all that fills their hearts and those of their corporate masters.

Really. The daily life of the early 20th century is what breeds the Superman fantasy in Action Comics #1. Someone snatches a woman's purse, there's little you can do, never mind DNA tests, so the common sex abuse we're told about back then cannot be repeated these days, to that extent, at least. It's just appalling what people had to endure back then. And it's a miracle we came through it. You'd expect us to have blown ourselves up in the '60s. It's why younger people take the Star Trek ideal for granted.

This is the thing you lefties really need to understand. Why was there such pressure on women back then to marry? And that no-fault divorce wasn't widespread like today? Not out of deep-rooted misogyny, the way you'd think. Or religious brainwashing. No, it was just the deep love men have for women is understated, like today, for they wanted to make sure they were subject to less pain, suffering, hate crimes, and the like which was life back then. Strength in numbers. Men love women, so we want to try to make sure they don't hurt. But nowadays you'd call that homophobia, since it excludes gay people. :roll:

We have far more looking up than we do down and we need more perspective. Here we are debating over identity issues that cannot possibly be substantiated by outsiders, when back then they were so worried about trying to find ways to stop a criminal element from just grabbing some poor lady down a dark alley and... well, use your minds. And there'd be no way to prove it back then.

These are not those times.

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Captain Crimson wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:50 am
clearspira wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 9:39 pm Careful. Those rules are there to help your side too.
Yes, I'd prefer the old-fashioned talking filibuster, like on KOTH, where you gotta stall the vote with words, and thus demonstrate more of who you really are, what you stand for.
You mean the old fashioned talking filibuster that was used to obstruct civil rights legislation and preserve Jim Crow laws? :3
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