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Re: Problem with Kids Media

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sayla0079 wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:14 am Because not everything is as black and white as some people think which is what the current cartoons today are trying to say.
But there were some episodes of MLP where the protagonists actually were punished. Though, the problem is that it was only like three episodes out of over two hundred.
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Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:54 am
sayla0079 wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:14 am Because not everything is as black and white as some people think which is what the current cartoons today are trying to say.
But there were some episodes of MLP where the protagonists actually were punished. Though, the problem is that it was only like three episodes out of over two hundred.
Well maybe we should have a closer look at these episodes for consideration.
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Oh hell, we're not back to this again?
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Oh great. Here comes the censorship brigade. I forgot it's not tolerable to discuss things deemed trivial to the more enlightened regimen.
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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 2:01 pm
Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:54 am
sayla0079 wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:14 am Because not everything is as black and white as some people think which is what the current cartoons today are trying to say.
But there were some episodes of MLP where the protagonists actually were punished. Though, the problem is that it was only like three episodes out of over two hundred.
Well maybe we should have a closer look at these episodes for consideration.
I could list titles but if you haven't seen them, what would be the point?
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Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:12 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 2:01 pm
Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:54 am
sayla0079 wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:14 am Because not everything is as black and white as some people think which is what the current cartoons today are trying to say.
But there were some episodes of MLP where the protagonists actually were punished. Though, the problem is that it was only like three episodes out of over two hundred.
Well maybe we should have a closer look at these episodes for consideration.
I could list titles but if you haven't seen them, what would be the point?
The point of justice.
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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:37 pm
Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:12 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 2:01 pm
Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:54 am
sayla0079 wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:14 am Because not everything is as black and white as some people think which is what the current cartoons today are trying to say.
But there were some episodes of MLP where the protagonists actually were punished. Though, the problem is that it was only like three episodes out of over two hundred.
Well maybe we should have a closer look at these episodes for consideration.
I could list titles but if you haven't seen them, what would be the point?
The point of justice.
My point was that if you haven't seen them, you can't help with analysis.
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Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:02 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:37 pm
Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:12 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 2:01 pm
Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:54 am
sayla0079 wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:14 am Because not everything is as black and white as some people think which is what the current cartoons today are trying to say.
But there were some episodes of MLP where the protagonists actually were punished. Though, the problem is that it was only like three episodes out of over two hundred.
Well maybe we should have a closer look at these episodes for consideration.
I could list titles but if you haven't seen them, what would be the point?
The point of justice.
My point was that if you haven't seen them, you can't help with analysis.
People here have seen them though.
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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:57 pm
Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:02 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:37 pm
Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:12 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 2:01 pm
Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:54 am
sayla0079 wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:14 am Because not everything is as black and white as some people think which is what the current cartoons today are trying to say.
But there were some episodes of MLP where the protagonists actually were punished. Though, the problem is that it was only like three episodes out of over two hundred.
Well maybe we should have a closer look at these episodes for consideration.
I could list titles but if you haven't seen them, what would be the point?
The point of justice.
My point was that if you haven't seen them, you can't help with analysis.
People here have seen them though.
Well, the only episodes where actual punishments happen I can think of are "Newbie Dash", "Hearts and Hooves Day" and "Appleousa's Most Wanted".

In the former episode, Despite the Wonderbolts bullying Rainbow Dash, though, unintentionally, she is still punished with being put on probation and cleanup duty, for pulling a big stunt to show her worth, instead of talking to her teammates about how she felt.

In the latter two episodes, the Cutie Mark Crusaders were punished by their authority figures for their antics.

But those are the minority. In "Tanks for the Memories", where, Rainbow Dash destroys the weather factory, causing a weeks worth of snow to fall onto Ponyville all at once, potentially injuring hundreds. because she was trying to stop winter from coming, so, her pet tortoise wouldn't hibernate, in a misguided metaphor of the five stages of grief. And she isn't even found out.

And there is Starlight Glimmer, she was introduced as a cult leader who brainwashed an entire town and tortured them when they got out of line. When her control over the town was broken, Starlight swore revenge and in the season five finale, she used a modified time travel spell to make it so the main characters never became friends, which doomed Equestria in a series of increasingly more horrifying alternate timelines but once Twilight Sparkle learns of Starlight's sob story and convinces her to stop trying to alter history, she is not punished, despite saying she is ready to be punished.

And in "Every Little Thing She Does", Starlight has a relapse and mind controls five of the main characters and after Twilight came in and undid it, she said she understands if the other protagonists don't want to be her friends anymore but not even one of them is still bitter about having their free will stripped away and forgive her and even help her clean up the mess her brainwashing spell caused.

And then there is the worst offender, Discord. He betrayed all of Equestria to Tirek in the season four finale and because he felt kind of sorry about it and unintentionally helped them defeat Tirek, despite that could have happened any other way the writers wanted, he is instantly forgiven and even included in a group hug, despite, there are a lot more people Discord hurt that we don't see their reactions, too but should have.

Then, in season nine, Discord disguised himself as Grogar, an ancient evil from Equstria's past and gathered all the other villains at the time and make them attack Equestria, in a misguided attempt to boost Twilight Sparkle's confidence in taking the Equestrian throne.

Because he brought the villains together, he is ultimately responsible for King Sombra brainwashing the whole Crystal Empire, trying to take over Equestria, destroying the tree of harmony, which was a sapient being and Sombra almost kidnapping Baby Flurry Heart. Discord also resurrected Sombra only to set him up to be killed, again.

He was also ultimately responsible for Chrysalis almost starting a race war among the ponies and drawing the Windigos back from wherever they were, which would have ended the whole world.

And all Discord has to do to be forgiven was free one of the main characters, at best, that only earns him forgiveness from the main characters but every single pony, dragon, etc, forgives him as seen by him happily standing amongst everyone else at Twilight's coronation. I don't buy it.

And from a Watsonian perspective, since he can't control his chaotic nature and never thinks things though, what guarantees he will never do the thing again that he already did twice and it won't end with mass death the next time?

And even if ponies are that forgiving, what about the other races around Equestria, who were also effected by Discord's stupid plan? They once almost went to war with each other and Equestria over a truancy issue.

And Discord also has the gal to suggest the form of punishment for the three remaining villains, who he made a threat again in the first place and used them like pawns. And the Princesses agree without a word of protest and condemning the trio to a fate worse than death without trying to reform them, first.

And people often say that the more realistic consequences Sunset Shimmer faced in the spinoff series, Equestria Girls, is because it's a closer to reality story, aimed for an older demographic. But Sunset is the only villain who actually had to for lack of a better word, suffer before her redemption, every other villain was instantly forgiven with no consequences.

In fact, in the third Equestria Girl movie, They imply the human version of Twilight will face hate, even if she will be forgiven eventually but nothing comes of that.
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hammerofglass wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 11:24 am Haven't seen SU, but actually did see the first few seasons of FiM so that I can comment on

Gilda didn't seriously hurt anyone, she was just kind of an asshole. She grew as a person, stopped acting that way, and they became friends again. That doesn't invalidate anything, cutting her off when she was acting the way she had been was still the right decision. Hell I have good friends IRL where that's happened, I think most people do.

What would you rather Dash do, hold a petty childhood grudge against someone who was now a perfectly decent person for the rest of their lives?
Also, it would have worked better if Gilda came to Rainbow for reconciliation, the victim of an abuser doesn't have to be the one, nor should they be the one to seek reconciliation.
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