Section 31

[Thebestoftherest]

From what I am told Kirksman seems less like a man with a vision and more someone who happily rubber stamp everyone else's ideas, I am not an expert and this is like little research on my part so if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

[Al-1701]

I'm still looking forward to seeing 7 of 9 captaining the Enterprise D.

I would rather they put the Enterprise-D back in service than the Titan-A/Enterprise-G. It worked great as the setting for the Changeling hunt but it is not a hero ship on the inside or outside.

Well, that happened and it was not good. Really, I feel like there were parts missing which might be explained by this being a failed pilot rather than a movie. But the characters were unlikable and the least unlikable character got killed early on (though, that might be why she was the least unlikable as she did not get the chance to grate on us like the others).

And considering the collection of capabilities we see, they use them so poorly. We had to be told the leader was an augment because there's not much he does that would not be expected by a well-trained normal Human. Why not have him use his heightened senses, or have him do feats of strength or ability beyond human capability? The shapeshifter barely shapeshifts. The mech guy barely does anything with his suit. The Deltan gets vaped almost immediately. The Men in Black ripoff was more annoying than anything.

There was a chance for a good story here; but the bad characters, bad action, bad humor, bad cinematography, bad settings, and just all around bad utilization of what they had at their disposal sabotaged it.

Just bring me Strange New Worlds Season 3. I'll welcome its butchered version of the Gorn after this.

[CharlesPhipps]

From what I am told Kirksman seems less like a man with a vision and more someone who happily rubber stamp everyone else's ideas, I am not an expert and this is like little research on my part so if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

I feel like the movie is getting some unnecessary hate but it is just "Guardians of the Galaxy meets Trek."

[clearspira]

From what I am told Kirksman seems less like a man with a vision and more someone who happily rubber stamp everyone else's ideas, I am not an expert and this is like little research on my part so if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

I feel like the movie is getting some unnecessary hate but it is just "Guardians of the Galaxy meets Trek."

If you were asking for ''Star Trek meets Guardians of the Galaxy'', then great, I mean that. But few others were. Section 31 being ''just'' Guardians of the Galaxy is like saying that Abrams Star Trek is ''just'' Star Wars.

''Guardians'' clones are such a tired concept now anyway. It's been eleven years since that film came out. This feels like when Hollywood was still trying to pump out those dystopian YA films after the Hunger Games had already finished.

[Thebestoftherest]

How the hell do you get Guardians of the Galaxy from Section 31? I legitimately don't know.

[McAvoy]

I'm still looking forward to seeing 7 of 9 captaining the Enterprise D.

I would rather they put the Enterprise-D back in service than the Titan-A/Enterprise-G. It worked great as the setting for the Changeling hunt but it is not a hero ship on the inside or outside.

Well, that happened and it was not good. Really, I feel like there were parts missing which might be explained by this being a failed pilot rather than a movie. But the characters were unlikable and the least unlikable character got killed early on (though, that might be why she was the least unlikable as she did not get the chance to grate on us like the others).

And considering the collection of capabilities we see, they use them so poorly. We had to be told the leader was an augment because there's not much he does that would not be expected by a well-trained normal Human. Why not have him use his heightened senses, or have him do feats of strength or ability beyond human capability? The shapeshifter barely shapeshifts. The mech guy barely does anything with his suit. The Deltan gets vaped almost immediately. The Men in Black ripoff was more annoying than anything.

There was a chance for a good story here; but the bad characters, bad action, bad humor, bad cinematography, bad settings, and just all around bad utilization of what they had at their disposal sabotaged it.

Just bring me Strange New Worlds Season 3. I'll welcome its butchered version of the Gorn after this.

That is the one thing as one of the technical sided Trekkies that annoys me about Season 3. We got a reconstructed Enterprise-D, the E-E was taken out off screen and used as a off hand joke. So the next Enterprise, the F is destroyed in basically a couple of minutes for shock. The they go and rename a previous, lesser ship the Enterprise-G. Four ships named Enterprise.

Remember when the ship was considered a character itself?

Imagine bringing in Worf. Only to use him, say they killed off Alexander off screen. Then have a shot of Alexander's kid killed when he walks out the door. Then end the series with Worf's nephew from his human brother taking up the name of House of Worf too. Only the nephew is remarkably lesser than even Alexander or his son never mind Worf. And he never earned that title either.

[clearspira]

How the hell do you get Guardians of the Galaxy from Section 31? I legitimately don't know.

Midnight's Edge have pointed out that this film feels like a rip off of Lucifer and Suicide Squad.

[clearspira]

I'm still looking forward to seeing 7 of 9 captaining the Enterprise D.

I would rather they put the Enterprise-D back in service than the Titan-A/Enterprise-G. It worked great as the setting for the Changeling hunt but it is not a hero ship on the inside or outside.

Well, that happened and it was not good. Really, I feel like there were parts missing which might be explained by this being a failed pilot rather than a movie. But the characters were unlikable and the least unlikable character got killed early on (though, that might be why she was the least unlikable as she did not get the chance to grate on us like the others).

And considering the collection of capabilities we see, they use them so poorly. We had to be told the leader was an augment because there's not much he does that would not be expected by a well-trained normal Human. Why not have him use his heightened senses, or have him do feats of strength or ability beyond human capability? The shapeshifter barely shapeshifts. The mech guy barely does anything with his suit. The Deltan gets vaped almost immediately. The Men in Black ripoff was more annoying than anything.

There was a chance for a good story here; but the bad characters, bad action, bad humor, bad cinematography, bad settings, and just all around bad utilization of what they had at their disposal sabotaged it.

Just bring me Strange New Worlds Season 3. I'll welcome its butchered version of the Gorn after this.

That is the one thing as one of the technical sided Trekkies that annoys me about Season 3. We got a reconstructed Enterprise-D, the E-E was taken out off screen and used as a off hand joke. So the next Enterprise, the F is destroyed in basically a couple of minutes for shock. The they go and rename a previous, lesser ship the Enterprise-G. Four ships named Enterprise.

Remember when the ship was considered a character itself?

Imagine bringing in Worf. Only to use him, say they killed off Alexander off screen. Then have a shot of Alexander's kid killed when he walks out the door. Then end the series with Worf's nephew from his human brother taking up the name of House of Worf too. Only the nephew is remarkably lesser than even Alexander or his son never mind Worf. And he never earned that title either.

This has been a problem since Abrams Trek. Sorry to repeat myself, but once again this is another sign that there is no respect and love for this franchise from the people making it.

Y'know what? Say what you like about Seth McFarlane's Orville because it was a mixed bag, but there was clear respect and love for Star Trek in that. A show in the TNG style is what Star Trek fans want and Kurtzman cannot stand that. He wants to use the iconography of Trek to do his own thing instead of making his own thing from scratch because he does not have the talent to make his own thing from scratch. Of course, there is an argument to be made that looking back isn't the right course of action either, but right now I am willing to take that risk.

[Al-1701]

And the Enterprise-D going back into service to serve as the flagship could make sense as they build the proper replacement instead of slapping it on what looks to be a lesser ship. While it was dated with its pre-Dominion War saucer and Dominion War stardrive, the Galaxy-class was supposedly future proofed for a century worth of upgrades so they could bring it up to modern standards (and perhaps give it the Venture refit) and it could serve as the flagship as a stopgap.

A gag from early in the season was people saw the Galaxy-class as a joke (much like modern Trek fans). Why not have it be the face of the Federation again as they try to work themselves out of the post-Mars funk they've been stuck in?

And I was mostly speaking about the design. I do not like the look of the Constitution-III. I think it looks ugly and I'm disappointed the phaser banks are just more beam phasers and not Defiant-style pulse phasers despite it also having phaser strips. And the interior was too unwelcoming. Again, it was a fantastic setting for a bug hunt, but it does not give me the vibes of being the face of the Federation. Stepping onto the D's bridge just made it all the more stark.

And we've derailed the conversation about Section 31. Though, what more is there to say about it.

[Madner Kami]

And we've derailed the conversation about Section 31. Though, what more is there to say about it.

Nothing, because it's just another example of the Morbus having hit Star Trek. You either get shows that have little in common with the original beyond tid-bits of lore and characters or even actors, but is going to careen off the rails at transwarp as soon as you blink. Or you get a show that desperately tries to retread already walked paths in order to appease the fans, but doesn't actually add anything of worth or advances the stories, other than introducuing mediocre fanfiction rewriting.