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clearspira wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:05 pm
As I say, I'm a Brit so I make no claim to be an expert. The workings of studies and statistics are universal concepts no matter where you go in the world however and I would be greatly interested to know the source of the studies that are making these claims. Until then I am not willing to accept these findings as gospel.
Trump received over 62 million votes. How many of these are openly proud racists in your opinion? All of them? Half? Because I refuse to believe that there are 62 million racists in America, just as I refuse to believe that there are 62 million sexists who voted based solely on genitals, and 62 million homophobes that hate gays.
According to a 2017 study by the University of Virginia, 31% of Americans believe that America needs to "protect and preserve its White European heritage." This position is at the root of the racial reactionary ideological vein that forms the core of Trumpism.
To do the numbers, 31% of the 2017 US population is around 100 million people. Likely not coincidentally, Trump's contemporary hardcore base consists of around 36% of Americans. Take away the racist 31% and the remaining 5% are a rounding error rather than a political juggernaut.
clearspira wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:05 pm
As I say, I'm a Brit so I make no claim to be an expert. The workings of studies and statistics are universal concepts no matter where you go in the world however and I would be greatly interested to know the source of the studies that are making these claims. Until then I am not willing to accept these findings as gospel. And as for your more extreme claims that you go into, again, give me evidence. Because that simply is not what I have seen and heard from the countless interviews with Trump supporters that I have seen, but if you can prove differently, I am happy to hear it.
Trump received over 62 million votes. How many of these are openly proud racists in your opinion? All of them? Half? Because I refuse to believe that there are 62 million racists in America, just as I refuse to believe that there are 62 million sexists who voted based solely on genitals, and 62 million homophobes that hate gays. America is one of the freest and most tolerant places in the world and I invite you to go and live just about anywhere east or south of Europe if you doubt that.
My country elected an orange tumor because a big chunk of the Democratic base got lazy and complacent and the Republicans spent literally 25 straight years pumping out nonstop propaganda on Fox News spreading flat-out lies about Hillary Clinton (and don't even get me STARTED on the nonsense 4chan started spreading for free).
Why should that have mattered when your side dominated media for a long time?
clearspira wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:05 pm
As I say, I'm a Brit so I make no claim to be an expert. The workings of studies and statistics are universal concepts no matter where you go in the world however and I would be greatly interested to know the source of the studies that are making these claims. Until then I am not willing to accept these findings as gospel. And as for your more extreme claims that you go into, again, give me evidence. Because that simply is not what I have seen and heard from the countless interviews with Trump supporters that I have seen, but if you can prove differently, I am happy to hear it.
Trump received over 62 million votes. How many of these are openly proud racists in your opinion? All of them? Half? Because I refuse to believe that there are 62 million racists in America, just as I refuse to believe that there are 62 million sexists who voted based solely on genitals, and 62 million homophobes that hate gays. America is one of the freest and most tolerant places in the world and I invite you to go and live just about anywhere east or south of Europe if you doubt that.
My country elected an orange tumor because a big chunk of the Democratic base got lazy and complacent and the Republicans spent literally 25 straight years pumping out nonstop propaganda on Fox News spreading flat-out lies about Hillary Clinton (and don't even get me STARTED on the nonsense 4chan started spreading for free).
Why should that have mattered when your side dominated media for a long time?
clearspira wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:05 pm
As I say, I'm a Brit so I make no claim to be an expert. The workings of studies and statistics are universal concepts no matter where you go in the world however and I would be greatly interested to know the source of the studies that are making these claims. Until then I am not willing to accept these findings as gospel. And as for your more extreme claims that you go into, again, give me evidence. Because that simply is not what I have seen and heard from the countless interviews with Trump supporters that I have seen, but if you can prove differently, I am happy to hear it.
Trump received over 62 million votes. How many of these are openly proud racists in your opinion? All of them? Half? Because I refuse to believe that there are 62 million racists in America, just as I refuse to believe that there are 62 million sexists who voted based solely on genitals, and 62 million homophobes that hate gays. America is one of the freest and most tolerant places in the world and I invite you to go and live just about anywhere east or south of Europe if you doubt that.
My country elected an orange tumor because a big chunk of the Democratic base got lazy and complacent and the Republicans spent literally 25 straight years pumping out nonstop propaganda on Fox News spreading flat-out lies about Hillary Clinton (and don't even get me STARTED on the nonsense 4chan started spreading for free).
Why should that have mattered when your side dominated media for a long time?
clearspira wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:05 pm
As I say, I'm a Brit so I make no claim to be an expert. The workings of studies and statistics are universal concepts no matter where you go in the world however and I would be greatly interested to know the source of the studies that are making these claims. Until then I am not willing to accept these findings as gospel. And as for your more extreme claims that you go into, again, give me evidence. Because that simply is not what I have seen and heard from the countless interviews with Trump supporters that I have seen, but if you can prove differently, I am happy to hear it.
Trump received over 62 million votes. How many of these are openly proud racists in your opinion? All of them? Half? Because I refuse to believe that there are 62 million racists in America, just as I refuse to believe that there are 62 million sexists who voted based solely on genitals, and 62 million homophobes that hate gays. America is one of the freest and most tolerant places in the world and I invite you to go and live just about anywhere east or south of Europe if you doubt that.
My country elected an orange tumor because a big chunk of the Democratic base got lazy and complacent and the Republicans spent literally 25 straight years pumping out nonstop propaganda on Fox News spreading flat-out lies about Hillary Clinton (and don't even get me STARTED on the nonsense 4chan started spreading for free).
Why should that have mattered when your side dominated media for a long time?
Contextually, it matters because saying "the other side did a bad thing!" does nothing to erase or excuse the many bad things that your side does. The left could have a total lockdown of state and federal governments and it wouldn't make Fox News any less of a lying propaganda machine. Moral authority and truthfulness are not some kind of see-saw.
"Believe me, there’s nothing so terrible that someone won’t support it."
— Un Lun Dun, China Mieville
clearspira wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:05 pm
As I say, I'm a Brit so I make no claim to be an expert. The workings of studies and statistics are universal concepts no matter where you go in the world however and I would be greatly interested to know the source of the studies that are making these claims. Until then I am not willing to accept these findings as gospel. And as for your more extreme claims that you go into, again, give me evidence. Because that simply is not what I have seen and heard from the countless interviews with Trump supporters that I have seen, but if you can prove differently, I am happy to hear it.
Trump received over 62 million votes. How many of these are openly proud racists in your opinion? All of them? Half? Because I refuse to believe that there are 62 million racists in America, just as I refuse to believe that there are 62 million sexists who voted based solely on genitals, and 62 million homophobes that hate gays. America is one of the freest and most tolerant places in the world and I invite you to go and live just about anywhere east or south of Europe if you doubt that.
My country elected an orange tumor because a big chunk of the Democratic base got lazy and complacent and the Republicans spent literally 25 straight years pumping out nonstop propaganda on Fox News spreading flat-out lies about Hillary Clinton (and don't even get me STARTED on the nonsense 4chan started spreading for free).
Why should that have mattered when your side dominated media for a long time?
Contextually, it matters because saying "the other side did a bad thing!" does nothing to erase or excuse the many bad things that your side does. The left could have a total lockdown of state and federal governments and it wouldn't make Fox News any less of a lying propaganda machine. Moral authority and truthfulness are not some kind of see-saw.
Both MSM's are terrible, left and right but the idea that Fox has that much power and reach is nonsense.
clearspira wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:05 pm
As I say, I'm a Brit so I make no claim to be an expert. The workings of studies and statistics are universal concepts no matter where you go in the world however and I would be greatly interested to know the source of the studies that are making these claims. Until then I am not willing to accept these findings as gospel. And as for your more extreme claims that you go into, again, give me evidence. Because that simply is not what I have seen and heard from the countless interviews with Trump supporters that I have seen, but if you can prove differently, I am happy to hear it.
Trump received over 62 million votes. How many of these are openly proud racists in your opinion? All of them? Half? Because I refuse to believe that there are 62 million racists in America, just as I refuse to believe that there are 62 million sexists who voted based solely on genitals, and 62 million homophobes that hate gays. America is one of the freest and most tolerant places in the world and I invite you to go and live just about anywhere east or south of Europe if you doubt that.
My country elected an orange tumor because a big chunk of the Democratic base got lazy and complacent and the Republicans spent literally 25 straight years pumping out nonstop propaganda on Fox News spreading flat-out lies about Hillary Clinton (and don't even get me STARTED on the nonsense 4chan started spreading for free).
Why should that have mattered when your side dominated media for a long time?
Contextually, it matters because saying "the other side did a bad thing!" does nothing to erase or excuse the many bad things that your side does. The left could have a total lockdown of state and federal governments and it wouldn't make Fox News any less of a lying propaganda machine. Moral authority and truthfulness are not some kind of see-saw.
Both MSM's are terrible, left and right but the idea that Fox has that much power and reach is nonsense.
Fox News is a meme at this point; it is a joke even to the centre right. As for whataboutism, I agree that two wrongs do not make a right, however both sides are willing to ignore the evil of their own side. That is why for example people are able to accuse Trump of being a warmonger whilst conveniently forgetting that Hillary wanted a full-scale war with Syria.
Neither side is better than the other like it or not.
Turd sandwich with cheeto dust was elected over McTurd sandwich. Sure would be nice if we had some kind of real choice in candidates but the DNC seems intent on continuing to fail to represent in the same ways the RNC are. And since they've rigged the system to the two viable choices I don't see it getting better - but I'll continue to vote independent anyway because that is the most valid protest vote I can make.
Robovski wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:26 am
Turd sandwich with cheeto dust was elected over McTurd sandwich. Sure would be nice if we had some kind of real choice in candidates but the DNC seems intent on continuing to fail to represent in the same ways the RNC are. And since they've rigged the system to the two viable choices I don't see it getting better - but I'll continue to vote independent anyway because that is the most valid protest vote I can make.
Robovski wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:26 am
Turd sandwich with cheeto dust was elected over McTurd sandwich. Sure would be nice if we had some kind of real choice in candidates but the DNC seems intent on continuing to fail to represent in the same ways the RNC are. And since they've rigged the system to the two viable choices I don't see it getting better - but I'll continue to vote independent anyway because that is the most valid protest vote I can make.
Are they? Did you even read the start of this thread?
The DNC isn't trying to tear down Row Vs Wade. The DNC isn't purging voter rolls. The DNC isn't trying to take away my right to marry. The DNC is at least moving towards a nation where people don't die because they can't afford insulin. The DNC is at least proposing ways to get college education to people without plunging them into a lifetime of debt. The DNC isn't complicit in the rampages of president Neelix. The DNC isn't made up of holocaust deniers or climate change deniers.
If the two major parties look the same from where you stand, please reconsider the position of your feet.
"Believe me, there’s nothing so terrible that someone won’t support it."
— Un Lun Dun, China Mieville
