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clearspira wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:26 pm
The truth is the truth. Show me evidence that the majority of the viewing public doesn't want exactly the same thing over and over again AKA the Marvel formula.
Oh, I didn't say, that I don't believe you. I just said, that, if that's what the majority wants, said majority basically shut up and stop whining, when they're given that thing, which they responded positively towards and stop moaning "A boohoohoo, Hollywood doesn't try new things anymore."

Sure thing, it does not. You've proven, that you'd be watching all the same stuff over and over and over again, as long as the actors and actresses are pretty and there are enough multicoloured lights and explosions.
McAvoy wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:21 pm
1. Which is why I said 'could have' been written better. I am not writer. Maybe it could have been written better, maybe not. The point is that if that is what they were going for, it wasn't that clear. Yes the slow as hell bomber scene did ruin that due to the fact it was a ridiculous scene. Bombers moving that slow is ridiculous. That's not even touching on the bombs dropping like there is a strong gravity like a planet.

Ahhh, the good old "Hey, I'm not a writer, I just said I could've written it better"-excuse.
That's supposed to work every time, now, right? Nope, doesn't fly with me, Sir. If you say with utter conviction "I could've written something better" - then prove that. Or don't say it.
I mean, that'd be as idiotic as me, the worlds most unathletic man on this rotational ellipsoid, we call "earth", watching soccer and yelling "Hey, I can shoot better goals than Jogi Löw!"
No, I can't, so I shouldn't say something like that.
Now, can you write a better script or a better outline, or can't you?
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CaptainCalvinCat wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:15 pm
Now, can you write a better script or a better outline, or can't you?
Subjective question, but let's see if I can.

Opening scene the Resistance is attempting to flee. The First Order brings in a siege Star Destroyer. Back on the rebel command ship Poe sees this and calls for crews to follow him. The board small but quick bomber craft roughly the size of a YT freighter and launch toward the First Order. Leia tries to call them back as they don't have hyperdrives. And Poe declares they can make it. General Hucks has the Tie fighters launched and it is a desperate battle. Poe tries to fly a bomber they way he whips around in a superiority fighter but is over taxing his craft.
Small scenes of the bombers valiantly trying to keep the nimble Ties at bay. But despite herculean efforts of the gunners and dozens of ties shot down. They are being one by one overwhelmed. One of the last bombers has its payload armed but they have been shot up and know they won't make it home. So the pilot starts to ask they tell her sister something. But hits her drives to overload crashing a fully loaded bomber into the power converter for the siege cannons. The bombs going off and the few surviving bombers turn to limp back as the beast is badly wounded and won't give chase today. But it survived the attack.
Leia slaps Poe for his recklessness and leading his people to their deaths. She taught him better and she is disappointed in him. She demotes him a rank. She then introduces a visitor that had arrived as they were evacuating. Poe is surprised as the tall woman does not look like the fierce admiral he had heard of.
The Resistance fleet makes a jump arriving in a system with many gravitic anomalies. An old smuggler route. But back on the flagship Kylo Ren confers with Hux and he points out it is a place his father had mentioned. They pursue leaving the bulk of their Ties to defend the wounded siege ship. On arriving at the system the Resistance find they cannot easily evade their enemy. As they try to manuver to avoid the guns the First order launches its remaining fighters. The battle goes much as it did in the movie. Kylo blowing out the hangars destroying the other fighter craft. But unable to fire on the bridge as he sensed his mother and hesitates till another takes the shot. Holdo takes command as the senior officer and rescue personnel go to find survivors before they are out of range. Leia uses the force to pull herself to the rescue ship despite it needing to leave the area. They consider it a miracle and rush her back.
In the same medical bay Finn awakes due to the commotion of them bringing Leia in.
Poe goes to find out the plan from Holdo who has just come from medical and seen several friends dead. She glares and dresses him down as he is not command staff and has no right to demand any answers of her. Not after his stunt. If he wants to be useful he can join a repair team since there are no fighters. Then she turns to get to the make shift bridge and get answers herself.
Poe goes to join others and see what he can do. He meets Rose an engineer and the sister of the bomber that got through. Seeing her he feels a guilt he had not expected. Finn stumbling upon them as he left the medbay and needing to be brought up to speed. They realise with them knowing the routes from Leia and the others they need a new plan. Some aid to get them loose. Poe directs them to take a small transport that can get around the anomalies. And find a man that can get them through here faster and safer. On sending them he tries to inform Holdo of what he has done. But she is working on something else and does not have time for him. The Resistance point defense cannons can drive off or destroy the remaining ties of the First order ships. So it is a cat and mouse game with capital ships. And the First Order has more of them. And when they do get a firing solution they don't hesitate to vaporize the hospital frigate.

On the island casino the pair try to fit in and find the 'scoundrel and smuggler' that can aid the fleet. But find many people that plainly don't care about the suffering that the First Order has brought. Eventually finding a smuggler that claims he can help. They loose the racing creatures as cover as they steal a small yacht. As they leave a page over an intercom is heard. "Administrator Calrissian, your ship has been stolen."

On a small isle Rey holds a lightsaber out to a bearded Luke. He takes it and for a moment seems very sad. Then he tosses the weapon aside and walks away leaving Rey to catch up to him. The peaceful villagers giving her a wide berth as she tries to get his attention. Only to be met with brusque commands that she should go. But at his drab quarters is waiting Artoo. Artoo begins to talk to Luke excitedly but Luke reprimands him. "Language! This is still a temple." And Rey finally calmer asks him what happened and why he was doing nothing. He explains that he had founded his school. He had many students and an older force user, Snoke, had come to aid him. Snoke was a good teacher with many students adoring him. And he even seemed to be able to reach his nephew Ben where Luke couldn't. One night Luke had gone to see a sick villager. So he was not at the academy when it was destroyed. Snoke had anointed himself a Supreme Commander and his followers the Knights of Ren. And one of those knights was his herald Kylo. One who Luke knew. So he came here to learn where these knights came from to learn from ancient jedi histories that were never moved to the archives on Coruscant. Here he found the jedi and sith had a cyclic relation. Constantly fighting to destroy the other. And this was yet another cycle. Perhaps if he sat it out. As the last of the Jedi he could break the cycles and stop the never ending wars.
Rey asks for his help. Because with it or without it she was going to face Kylo and his master. And try to keep them from harming others. He comments she might be too old for the training. And she replies that she has learned so much. He smiles as though remembering a similar conversation. "Perhaps this is what he meant about passing on what I have learned. Very well. And maybe you can avoid losing any limbs in the process." Que training montage as we skip back to the fleet.
The fleet has been dodging asteroids and gritting their teeth at the flashing indicator of too many gravity wells to jump to lightspeed. Poe finds evidence that Holdo, now dressed in a uniform like the rest of the bridge crew, has been preparing the short range craft. He almost loses it, they are local only, no weapons, no real shields. They would be shot to pieces by the first order.
Holdo glares. "Oh now you care about the lives around you? A weak Leia enters and suggests he be shown so he does not do anything stupid. And Holdo shows an incomplete map of the system. One part shows a world. an old rebel base from before the fall of the empire. It should have space for their people, is well hidden. And when the First Order leaves they can call allies to come pick them up. Because they are losing the game of cat and mouse.
While they go over this. Finn and Rose return to the system. They have the smuggler play dumb so it seems like happenstance. As they try to bluff their way through the First Order picking them up as smugglers and them hoping to not be recognized. But eventually their new ally sells them out for some coin and the ship. Worse he knew of the old rebel base and informed the First Order of its existence. So the ship moves to get a line on the shuttles trying to evacuate the command ship to the planet. Finn and Rose forced to watch their friends die before they too will be executed. All but one shuttle launched and Holdo notices the command ship is not where it should be. Then it begins firing upon her friends. A look of horror, then grim determination. She takes the helm and drags the ship about and puts her thrusters to maximum. Slamming into the ship and driving it into one of the gravity anomalies. With both ships stricken. Hux sends a landing force to pursue.

Back in her training Rey looks startled. Her friends, in danger. Luke nods. "You can't get the images out of your head. You can't tell if they live or die. I know. What has happened before happens again." As she gathers her things he stops her and places a stack of records in her arms along with the lightsaber she came to him with. "Take these. And my X-wing." He holds up his hand. "Because you are not going to your friends. You are going to face Kylo and his master. I can tell you to not underestimate them. But I think you already have."
Kylo and Rey meet aboard the supreme commander's ship and he takes her before Snoke. Much of the conflict goes as before. With Kylo managing to strike down Snoke. And the pair fighting desperately against the other knights of Ren. When it is over Kylo asks Rey to join him. End this business with jedi and sith. And with the first order rule the galaxy together. Rey force shoves him into a pillar and flees.
Back at the base things are grim. They lost more than half their people to fire in transit. Now the base no longer seems secure.


(Okay been writing for a bit here. Let me know if I need to finish it with a handful of resistance ships managing to flee.)
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Yep, I like that one.
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CaptainCalvinCat wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:15 pm
clearspira wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:26 pm
The truth is the truth. Show me evidence that the majority of the viewing public doesn't want exactly the same thing over and over again AKA the Marvel formula.
Oh, I didn't say, that I don't believe you. I just said, that, if that's what the majority wants, said majority basically shut up and stop whining, when they're given that thing, which they responded positively towards and stop moaning "A boohoohoo, Hollywood doesn't try new things anymore."

Sure thing, it does not. You've proven, that you'd be watching all the same stuff over and over and over again, as long as the actors and actresses are pretty and there are enough multicoloured lights and explosions.
McAvoy wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:21 pm
1. Which is why I said 'could have' been written better. I am not writer. Maybe it could have been written better, maybe not. The point is that if that is what they were going for, it wasn't that clear. Yes the slow as hell bomber scene did ruin that due to the fact it was a ridiculous scene. Bombers moving that slow is ridiculous. That's not even touching on the bombs dropping like there is a strong gravity like a planet.

Ahhh, the good old "Hey, I'm not a writer, I just said I could've written it better"-excuse.
That's supposed to work every time, now, right? Nope, doesn't fly with me, Sir. If you say with utter conviction "I could've written something better" - then prove that. Or don't say it.
I mean, that'd be as idiotic as me, the worlds most unathletic man on this rotational ellipsoid, we call "earth", watching soccer and yelling "Hey, I can shoot better goals than Jogi Löw!"
No, I can't, so I shouldn't say something like that.
Now, can you write a better script or a better outline, or can't you?
I follow American football. I can tell you the capabilities and weaknesses of almost every player on team and for the most part some of the players on the team I can tell you what offense they are going to run, I can tell you what defense is going to be played. I can tell you who the first read is. I can tell you where the running back will run initially.

But does that make me a football player? No it doesn't. But knowing what I know I can figure out how each series of downs will happen.

Unlike a scripted story you got the human element too of missing tackles or a incredible run or a 1 in 1000 throw.

Scripted stories are structured. They follow certain rules. They don't have random things happening unless it is scripted.
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CaptainCalvinCat wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:15 pm
clearspira wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:26 pm
The truth is the truth. Show me evidence that the majority of the viewing public doesn't want exactly the same thing over and over again AKA the Marvel formula.
Oh, I didn't say, that I don't believe you. I just said, that, if that's what the majority wants, said majority basically shut up and stop whining, when they're given that thing, which they responded positively towards and stop moaning "A boohoohoo, Hollywood doesn't try new things anymore."

Sure thing, it does not. You've proven, that you'd be watching all the same stuff over and over and over again, as long as the actors and actresses are pretty and there are enough multicoloured lights and explosions.
McAvoy wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:21 pm
1. Which is why I said 'could have' been written better. I am not writer. Maybe it could have been written better, maybe not. The point is that if that is what they were going for, it wasn't that clear. Yes the slow as hell bomber scene did ruin that due to the fact it was a ridiculous scene. Bombers moving that slow is ridiculous. That's not even touching on the bombs dropping like there is a strong gravity like a planet.

Ahhh, the good old "Hey, I'm not a writer, I just said I could've written it better"-excuse.
That's supposed to work every time, now, right? Nope, doesn't fly with me, Sir. If you say with utter conviction "I could've written something better" - then prove that. Or don't say it.
I mean, that'd be as idiotic as me, the worlds most unathletic man on this rotational ellipsoid, we call "earth", watching soccer and yelling "Hey, I can shoot better goals than Jogi Löw!"
No, I can't, so I shouldn't say something like that.
Now, can you write a better script or a better outline, or can't you?
Oh and in case you didn't catch it, nothing I said was with utter conviction. It was a suggestion. An off hand remark that you made intowhat I said with utter conviction.

And yes I will say whatever the fuck I want. Don't like it? Tough shit.
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CaptainCalvinCat wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:15 pm Now, can you write a better script or a better outline, or can't you?
If we are going for a full Sequel rewrite: TFA should have flat out stolen from the Expanded Universe. That's why so many people were annoyed about it being retconned - it was just flat out better.

If we are going for a partial Sequel rewrite: Palpatine should have been set up earlier and we would have gotten some serious backstory for how he/Snoke convinced Kylo to take to the Dark Side. We get worse than nothing - a flashback of Luke trying to kill his nephew in his sleep. Show me don't tell me how Luke and Kylo reached this point.
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McAvoy wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:17 am
I follow American football. I can tell you the capabilities and weaknesses of almost every player on team and for the most part some of the players on the team I can tell you what offense they are going to run, I can tell you what defense is going to be played. I can tell you who the first read is. I can tell you where the running back will run initially.

But does that make me a football player? No it doesn't. But knowing what I know I can figure out how each series of downs will happen.
Your typcal "On Saturday, Germanys bars are full of National Coaches"-argument. Everyone knows it better than the actual person, who is doing the job. "Yeah, they should send Kimmich on and- oh boy - how does Götze play? And is the Schiri (ref) blind?! That clearly was a foul by Özil!"

And I feel reminded of that mentality by sentences like "They clearly don't know, what they're writing" or "I could write something better."
And of course you can say, what you want - but don't be surprised, if one says "Hey, maybe you should put your money where your mouth is?"


clearspira wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:33 am
If we are going for a full Sequel rewrite: TFA should have flat out stolen from the Expanded Universe. That's why so many people were annoyed about it being retconned - it was just flat out better.
Oh, I concur with you there - absolutely. The Expanded Universe - or "Legends"; as it is called now - would've been a so much better source. Personally, I would've liked to watch a "Thrawn"-Trillogy.
clearspira wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:33 am
If we are going for a partial Sequel rewrite: Palpatine should have been set up earlier and we would have gotten some serious backstory for how he/Snoke convinced Kylo to take to the Dark Side. We get worse than nothing - a flashback of Luke trying to kill his nephew in his sleep. Show me don't tell me how Luke and Kylo reached this point.
Indeed. In fact, "show, don't tell!" reminds me of a German movie, I watched 5 years ago.
The movie was called "Flucht ins Ungewisse" (Escape into the unknown) or something like that and it opened up with a black screen and an opening-card (with opening narrator) that said "Germany in the not too distant future - the right-wingers have gained control" - and that was it.
And I was like "Hm - yeah, but how? What happened there? Did the stupidity of the people get the better of them and they voted en masse for the AfD? Or was it a coup d'état? What happened? You can't present us. with a fait accompli in that case."
Okay - it was never about that backstory, that's clear. It was about a reversal of roles, what would be happening if Germans would have to escape from their own country, making them refugees in the process.

But, while we're at your suggestions: What would've been the best moment to set up Palpatine? Personally, I'd say, that this new trilogy was the condensed version of at least two trilogies, if told right.

For example: One could've told the "Admiral Thrawn"-Trilogy and interwoven in that story would be the setup of Palpatine still being around somewhere and Snoke being the Grima Wormtongue of Ben Solo, slowly seducing him to the dark side.

While we're at that:, isn't "One of the Ogana-Solo-Kids being seduced by the Dark Side" one of the plots of the Extended Universe? Didn't Ben kill Mara Jade-Skywalker?

Anyway: We have the Snoke slowly seducing Solo's son Ben - and Palpatine sending visions of Ben being Kylo Ren into Lukes mind, which can lead to the scene, where Luke contemplates about killing Ben, ignited Lightsaber and all that.

Decompress the story, give it room to breathe, I think connoisseurs of wine would call that "decant" - one can have that image of Luke with the ignited lightsaber over Bens sleeping body - because - let's be honest: that image is frakking gold. The golden boy, our hero of the last trilogy, with that slight mad look in his face - precious.
You can have that - but you have to earn it.

My idea would be "Adapt the Thrawn-trilogy, introduce Mara Jade, let it end with both teaching kids on Yarvin. So Episodes 7 through 9 would be the Thrawn-Trilogy, and then the New Trilogy starts - I had the idea for a "Episode 10" written in another thread. Here it is.
CaptainCalvinCat wrote: Sun May 03, 2020 12:08 pm
So, I'd have Luke Skywalker (still married to Mara) - Jedi Master and his sister Leia (still married to Han) and a Jedi Mistress (gee, that word sounds a bit weird). C3po ans R2D2 are still there, hanging around, and maybe young Rey is indeed a force sensitive kid, that Luke notices.

We could still have the opening sequence of her living on Jakkuu, fending for her own, meeting Poe, a person, who was on the first Death Star, when it blew up. The blast translocated his body and spirit some 30 or 40 years in the future. (hey, it's sci-fi... if you play your cards right, you can come through an amazing amount of bullshit. And if you don't overexplain things, people are not asking, why something works. We saw that in the Prequel Trilogy and how people were annoyed, when the Midiclorians were put on the map.)

And Finn is a tough one to crack - he's not a stormtrooper, he's a higher ranking officer, who looks at Rey and points out, that she would have had a good living in the Empire. All he sees is dust, people disecting "ships of the glorious empire" and it disgust him. So, he sneaks on the remnants of a destroyer, let's call it the "remnant" and activates a homing beacon.

Rey has followed him, and he stands there, gloating, boasting, how his beloved empire will bring order to this chaos and indeed - one ship appears. But it is no imperial ship, it is the Milennium Falcon, still flown by Han Solo and Chewbacca (who had no meeting with a moon), accompanied by Leia, Luke and Mara.

Finn can't believe that. The empire - down? The Emperor - dead?
And we could use this whole scenario to explore a) the difference between "life in the Empire" to "Life in the New Republic" and b) how to exdoctrinate a person, who is so deeply indoctrinated by the empire.

And since we all want a little bit of Space Battles - why still not throw in a resurging Empire? It's not as "strong" as the New Order, there are two to three Star Systems that are forming the New Empire and they react to the homing beacon, too.

So they fight and they fight and they fight and they fight - and in the end, Finn gets taken away by the new Empire, by Kylo Ren. But instead of him "having to kill his father" and him being a emo-villain, he is at peace with himself, he quips, he cracks jokes - when he first appears he uses some Darth-Vader-Trademark-sentences, then he takes of his helmet, smiles "Hi, family.". And he sees the great potential, that lies within Rey.

So, the movies second act beginns with Finn being in the capital of the new Empire, which makes him feel quite at home. He grins, but when he looks around, he starts to notice, that this New Empire feels a bit off. He notices oppresion on the streets, but he brushes it off as "they don't know, how these things were done" - because in his opinion, there was no oppression on the streets during the times of the Empire.
So it must be one of the leaders, who clearly has no idea, how to handle things.
And he figures, that if he plays his cards right, he can change things for the better. So he calls for a meeting, gets one and is surprised. The leader of this planet is an old friend from the empire - another one of the Dislocated.
And there it dawns on Finn: Everything, that Luke, Leia, Han, Mara, Rey - even Chewie - said, was true.
There was oppression, the Empire was evil.

The third act deals with Finn trying to contact Rey and to escape the empire. He reunites with the gang and wants to join the New republic.
Okay, in that version, I have Kylo being already on the first orders side, so let's ignore Kylo in that story.

So Episode 10 sets up Rey on Jakku (being found by the Solo-Skywalker-Siblings and their significant others and Finn as a loyal empire-soldier, being time-displaced from the explosion of the first Death Star. Rey and Ben meet each other on Yarvin, after the Solo-Skywalkers brought her from Jakku. And we meet Snoke, a charismatic force-teacher - a bit like, say Sinestro.

Episode 11 would deal with the Finn-Redemption-Arc on First-Order-Homeworld (and here we can go dark. I'm talking brainwashing, torture, whatever - the point is to show: Yeah, the first order is as bad as the empire. There are no doubts about it, no youtube-videos about "How the empire was actually right" will be made after this one.) And on Yarvin we have Rey and Ben train - and Ben being slowly seduced by Snoke. The eleventh episode ends with Finn escaping from FOH (first order homeworld) and Snoke promising Ben, that he can teach him how to be a great Jedi, better than his mother and his uncle.

Episode 12 begins, where 11 left off - Finn landing on Yakku, tearfully apologizing and saying, that he has seen the error of his ways and Snoke teaching Ben in the Dark Side Arts.
Luke feels this. He wants to talk to Ben - who doesn't listen - but Leia and Han are listening, as well as Rey, who is Bens best friend. They try to intervene, but Ben is all like "You all are against me!", because he saw the image, Snoke put in his brain: His uncle, mad glitter in his eyes, ignited lightsaber - the picture we know.

So he escapes, along with some other people of the Jedi-Temple, that he recruited for the "Knights of Ren".

Next would be the "Rey-Trilogy", which has her as protagonist trying to find Ben and bring him back - and that could be, where we sync up with the proper "New Trilogy" (TFA, TLJ, TRS).
And now we can have the "first Order" as an "heir to the empire", because now we have earned it - sure, we still have the problem, that annoyed me in the first place: "Everything our heroines and heroes have fought for is null and void at the end" - but now we have a better understanding, why it failed.

Or you could go the really dark route: Except for our main heroes - Luke, Leia, Mara, Han, Chewie, Lando, Rey - and probably some side characters like Admiral Ackbar - the Galacic Republic turns evil. The Empire just took a page out of the "Hydra infiltrating SHIELD"-playbook and reinvigorated itself in the works of the new Galactic Republic, turning the Republic over the course of twenty years into the very thing, the "rebels" fought for.
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CaptainCalvinCat wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:42 am
clearspira wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:33 am
If we are going for a full Sequel rewrite: TFA should have flat out stolen from the Expanded Universe. That's why so many people were annoyed about it being retconned - it was just flat out better.
Oh, I concur with you there - absolutely. The Expanded Universe - or "Legends"; as it is called now - would've been a so much better source. Personally, I would've liked to watch a "Thrawn"-Trillogy.
clearspira wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:33 am
If we are going for a partial Sequel rewrite: Palpatine should have been set up earlier and we would have gotten some serious backstory for how he/Snoke convinced Kylo to take to the Dark Side. We get worse than nothing - a flashback of Luke trying to kill his nephew in his sleep. Show me don't tell me how Luke and Kylo reached this point.
Indeed. In fact, "show, don't tell!" reminds me of a German movie, I watched 5 years ago.
The movie was called "Flucht ins Ungewisse" (Escape into the unknown) or something like that and it opened up with a black screen and an opening-card (with opening narrator) that said "Germany in the not too distant future - the right-wingers have gained control" - and that was it.
And I was like "Hm - yeah, but how? What happened there? Did the stupidity of the people get the better of them and they voted en masse for the AfD? Or was it a coup d'état? What happened? You can't present us. with a fait accompli in that case."
Okay - it was never about that backstory, that's clear. It was about a reversal of roles, what would be happening if Germans would have to escape from their own country, making them refugees in the process.

But, while we're at your suggestions: What would've been the best moment to set up Palpatine? Personally, I'd say, that this new trilogy was the condensed version of at least two trilogies, if told right.
I've been thinking about this. I can't help but think the best place to introduce Palpatine would be just after Kylo kills Han. Maybe not fully, just a small vision that runs through Rey's mind that she would not understand but we the audience would immediately be like ''Oh shit!''. And this would be doubly effective as TFA was made with a largely united fanbase - it was TLJ that generated the majority of the hatedom. A Palpatine reveal here probably would have gone down (at the very least) better than it did in TROS.

But why here you ask? Because then she would take that vision with her to meet Luke. And given how in my rewrite of the Sequels we would have been treated to a far more fleshed out Luke who we are hopefully feeling sympathetic towards, we can still have the conflict of Rey trying to convince this diminished old man to come and help her... AND THEN, after all of that is said and done and she has had a few more visions, she can hit him with ''Palpatine is back. He killed Han, your sister is injured, he is coming for you, and he needs me to regain his former power.''

Boom! That is a pay off. That is a motivator. His greatest enemy has returned. And he needs the woman standing before him in order to undo his father's sacrifice. Now Luke has a reason to care.

And we can still have the fight to the death with Kylo - he is the mentor character so he is pretty much duty bound to heroically die - but it will now feel a damn sight more earned than it did before. Oh, and lets please have him fight Kylo in the flesh. It is so poorly explained why Luke dies to that saber strike if he is not actually there. How about we just dodge the many essays that were written to defend it and just have him there in person?
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Re: The Star Wars Sequels Erased?

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For some people, the existence of the DST is an affront to Star Wars, and that may be a lot of people, but I don't think it's the majority. A lot of people just didn't like it, but don't need it erased from existence.

Look at The Mandalorian. It's popular, and it doesn't depend on the DST, and it doesn't depend on getting rid of the DST.

If they make more material that doesn't depend on the DST but doesn't retcon it, I think they'll maximize profit.
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Re: The Star Wars Sequels Erased?

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Your typcal "On Saturday, Germanys bars are full of National Coaches"-argument. Everyone knows it better than the actual person, who is doing the job. "Yeah, they should send Kimmich on and- oh boy - how does Götze play? And is the Schiri (ref) blind?! That clearly was a foul by Özil!"

And I feel reminded of that mentality by sentences like "They clearly don't know, what they're writing" or "I could write something better."
And of course you can say, what you want - but don't be surprised, if one says "Hey, maybe you should put your money where your mouth is?"
Never said anything about they didn't know what they were writing nor did I say I could write better. Please understand the concept of saying 'maybe it could have been written better'. It's you trying to make me write something that I am not even clear on myself, just suggesting maybe it could have.

I mean holy shit, are you the one who wrote it? Are you offended by the fact I could even remotely suggest that it could even be written differently?

Hell it was written off the cuff on my thoughts on a fucking breakdown on how you could view it. But you focused on that as if I yelled the shit out of your child because I disagree with your parenting. Whereas I said in a general manner that parents could maybe parent differently.

So I got to ask, did I just yell at your child or something? Or do I have to produce records of my own parenting so you can critique my own parenting?

Because that is what you are asking. You want to critique whatever the hell I come up with.

So did you write the movie?
I got nothing to say here.
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